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Worlds Colliding: Rhiannon Giddens And Francesco Turrisi

Rhiannon Giddens and Francesco Turrisi.

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  • “Ten Thousand Voices”
  • “Pizzica Di San Vito”
  • “Little Margaret”

Rhiannon Giddens and Francesco Turrisi are both gifted multi-instrumentalists and devoted students of music history. Each has dug into the past to illuminate the present and worked to give credit where credit is due for the way instruments and ideas have moved over time between people and places.

While Rhiannon’s work has focused on the influence of African traditions on what we think of as American music, Francesco is an expert in the often unacknowledged influence of Arabic and Middle Eastern music on what we think of as European sound. They found common ground in their quest to dispel false cultural narratives and turned it into gorgeous music on a new collaborative album called there is no Other. Hear their live performance in the player.

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New Orleans Sues Big Oil

New Orleans is suing oil and gas companies to help it pay for flood protection. It’s a major move against an industry that’s key to the city’s economy.



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Living in New Orleans means living with the constant threat of flooding. After Hurricane Katrina, the federal government built a giant $14 billion flood-protection system. Now the city is trying to restore the marshes that protect it from storm surge. To pay for that, it is suing an industry that’s been key to the state’s economy. Tegan Wendland of member station WWNO and NPR’s energy and environment team reports.

TEGAN WENDLAND, BYLINE: New Orleans isn’t exactly on the coast, but it recently hired Anne Coglianese to manage coastal resilience.

ANNE COGLIANESE: I always have sneakers in my car, so I’m ready to be in the mud at any given moment.

WENDLAND: It’s a hot, sunny day. And Lake Pontchartrain laps at the shore to our left, the Gulf of Mexico to our right. This is the New Orleans Land Bridge, a shrinking strip of land just outside the city. Homes rise high on stilts, and the marshy wetlands stretch out for miles.

COGLIANESE: This is pretty much our last line of defense to keeping surge from the Gulf from coming into the lake and really putting pressure on our levees.

WENDLAND: These marshes act as natural buffers from storm surge. The problem is the land is disappearing. Like much of southern Louisiana, it’s naturally sinking, and then there’s sea level rise. But the biggest reason is the thousands of miles of channels that oil companies carve through these fragile marshes to get out to their rigs. Those channels have eroded and turned to open water. New Orleans mayor LaToya Cantrell.

LATOYA CANTRELL: We have to protect our people and property. And we have been damaged by offshore drilling. It is a fact. And we need protections in the future. And in order to get those protections, you need money.

WENDLAND: Cantrell says there is some money for restoration, mostly through the state. And she’s looking for more to pay for things like rebuilding the land bridge and urban projects, like rain gardens. So she’s suing a handful of oil and gas companies over those channels they carved through the marshes, including Chevron and Exxon Mobile. It’s a risky move in a city so tied to the industry.

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UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Don’t miss French Quarter Festival, presented by Chevron…

WENDLAND: There’s also Jazz Fest funded by Shell, summer camps funded by Chevron.

ANDY HOROWITZ: New Orleanians and Louisianans in general have often viewed the oil industry as kind of a benevolent corporate patron.

WENDLAND: Tulane environmental history professor Andy Horowitz says the legal action represents a big shift.

HOROWITZ: The lawsuit is, in part, a recognition that the oil industry has not been an unalloyed good for New Orleans or for Louisiana, that it’s caused a lot of damage here, too. Having the mayor claim it in a lawsuit and claim specific damages is a new step and a significant one.

WENDLAND: Six other parishes have filed similar suits. Gifford Briggs is the president of the Louisiana Oil and Gas Association, which represents many of the companies listed in the suits. He points out the city has been an energy hub for the Gulf of Mexico.

GIFFORD BRIGGS: And to think that that city has now turned on the industry that, to a large degree, sort of was the foundation and built that city up into a global energy community is very frustrating. And it’s unfortunate.

WENDLAND: He says fewer companies want to drill in Louisiana because of the suits. Meantime, Mayor Cantrell says the coast continues to wash away.

CANTRELL: New Orleans is a coastal city. It’s a fact. And because of that, yes, we are growing more vulnerable, and it is requiring us to do things differently.

WENDLAND: It could take years for the lawsuits to wind their way through the courts. And law experts say if the city wins, the money may be negligible, certainly not enough to rebuild all the land that’s disappeared. Still, it may force the oil and gas industry to step in and try to solve a problem it helped create.

For NPR News, I’m Tegan Wendland in New Orleans.

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Toronto Raptors Clinch Their First NBA Title, Denying Warriors A 3-Peat

The Raptors’ Kawhi Leonard and Kyle Lowry celebrate after Toronto wins the NBA championship, defeating the Golden State Warriors 114-110 in Oakland, Calif.

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The Toronto Raptors have snatched their first NBA title, edging out the Golden State Warriors, 114-110, in Game 6 of the finals at the Warriors’ Oracle Arena in Oakland. Toronto completed the series 4-2.

With the score 111-110 and just seconds left in the 4th quarter, the Warriors’ Steph Curry missed a 3-pointer. Golden State then called a timeout it didn’t have and was given a technical foul. After that there was some confusion. In the end, Toronto prevailed.

It was a close-fought game from beginning to end, with the two teams trading out the lead.

A fast-paced and entertaining first half featured 14 lead changes and four ties in the last professional basketball game played in Oakland.

Raptors fans party in Toronto as their team wins the NBA championship in Oakland, Calif.

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Toronto led 33-32 after one quarter in which the Raptors scored seven 3-point shots. But the Warriors’ Klay Thompson kept the Warriors in the game scoring 10 points.

The Raptors led by three points at the half, 60-57, largely on the strength of a 21-point effort by guard Kyle Lowry. Pascal Siakam had 13 points and Serge Ibaka scored 10 for Toronto. Raptor star Kawhi Leonard had nine points, but also picked up three fouls.

The Warriors’ Thompson had 18 points, followed by Andre Iguodala with 11 points. Curry had nine points.

The Warriors led 88-86 after three quarters. Golden State saw its top scorer Thompson injure his knee late in the quarter.

The Golden State Warriors, led by Splash Brothers Curry and Thompson, have won three of the last four NBA championships. They were early odds-on favorites to three-peat their way to another title and seal their claim to being one of professional basketball’s historic dynasties.

But Toronto got in the way of all that.

Going into Game 6, the Raptors had already accomplished what few other teams could dream of: they’d beaten Golden State on the Warriors home court, the Oracle Arena, three times this year—once in the regular season and twice in this series.

The Warriors had hoped to stretch the series to Game 7 and give the court they’ve called home for 47 seasons a proper send off. Next year, Golden State will play in the new Chase Center in San Francisco. It’s only a handful of miles away, but there are many die-hard Oaklanders who think their Warriors might as well be moving to Mars.

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Trump Turns Trade Talks Into Spectator Sport

President Trump and China’s President Xi Jinping are expected to talk about trade on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan, later this month.

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White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow said Thursday that the Trump administration is determined to make China play by the rules of international trade.

“You know how you get from here to there?” Kudlow told an audience at a pro-trade think tank in Washington. “You kick some butt.”

That’s not the kind of dry, technocratic language one usually associates with trade negotiations. But it’s another example of how President Trump has turned international commerce into a highly unusual spectator sport.

The next big spectacle is expected to be a faceoff between Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan, later this month.

This “Talka in Osaka” is another high-stakes showcase for the president, who has managed to turn trade talks into must-see television. Less WTO — more WWE, complete with heroes, villains, plot twists and plenty of trash talk.

“China wants to make a deal very badly,” Trump told reporters this week. “It’s me, right now, that’s holding up the deal.”

Trump said that before he took office, “China ate the United States alive, economically.” The president has imposed steep tariffs on Chinese imports. And he’s threatened to go further if China won’t throw in the towel.

Like last week’s tariff battle with Mexico, the showdown with China has kept the president on the front page, sent shock waves through the stock market, and turned dusty rules of international commerce into a hot topic around the dinner table.

“There will be no shortage of conversations in the early summer barbecues, boy, with people looking at their portfolios,” said Matthew Slaughter, a Dartmouth economist who studies international trade.

Trump has not only put trade front and center in the national conversation. Because the president is such a polarizing figure, he has managed to scramble the usual partisan cheering sections. Some Republicans are now defending tariffs and other protectionist measures while some Democrats are pushing in the opposite direction.

“There’s some Democrats who are now saying, ‘Boy, we need to be careful on levying these new trade barriers and we need to worry about trade wars,’ ” said Slaughter, who served in the George W. Bush White House. “The president and his policies are starting to muddy those waters again.”

A Quinnipiac poll last month found 53% of all Americans disapprove of the president’s handling of trade, while just 39% approve. The poll was taken about a week after talks between the U.S. and China broke down and Trump increased tariffs on some $250 billion worth of imports.

“Right now, China is paying us billions and billions of dollars,” Trump said. “They never gave us 10 cents.”

Never mind that most economists say the tariffs are largely paid by American businesses and consumers. Meanwhile, China has raised tariffs of its own on U.S. exports, while cutting the taxes on products it buys from other countries.

Kudlow calls himself a free trader but said he has come around to the president’s view that tariffs can be a useful economic weapon.

“It’s a negotiating tool, but it’s not a bluff,” Kudlow said. “As you’ve seen, he will actually execute or implement tariffs.”

A member of the audience asked Kudlow what happens if Trump’s tariffs don’t deliver a knockout punch. What if, instead, the two sides settle into a costly, rope-a-dope trade war?

Kudlow didn’t have a ready answer for that. The think tank’s director emeritus, Fred Bergsten, observed that for much of the past century, the U.S. has gone largely unchallenged in the global ring. In China, it is finally facing another economic heavyweight.

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How One Father Became A Leading Activist In The Fight Against Opioids

When Greg McNeil’s son Sam died of a heroin overdose in 2015, after first becoming addicted to prescription pain pills, the father reinvented himself as an opioid activist.



MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

If we look at the opioid epidemic alone, it’s killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and damaged the lives of millions more. North Country Public Radio’s Brian Mann introduces us to a father who became a leading activist in the fight against opioids after his son died of an overdose.

GREG MCNEIL: All right, this way. Come on.

BRIAN MANN, BYLINE: I meet Greg McNeil at a fire hall in Green, Ohio, a suburban city outside Akron. He’s not a guy who ever expected to be on the frontlines of a deadly epidemic. He was a Web developer and IT specialist. Then, in 2007, his son Sam got sick.

MCNEIL: After an injury and surgery, he actually became addicted within 10 days because he was back in the ER within 10 days as a drug-seeking patient.

MANN: Like a lot of Americans, Sam became dependent on prescription opioids, on painkillers. In the years that followed, he turned to street drugs. The family tried to help intervening repeatedly. Greg says he thought his son was getting better.

MCNEIL: For whatever reason, he texted his old supplier. And they found him the next day. He had been given heroin that was laced with fentanyl.

MANN: Sam was 28. Greg still looks pretty much like a businessman and a father – white hair, trim suit – but he says his old life, the person he was, ended that day in October 2015. He started trying to understand the opioid epidemic, trying to get other people to do more to stop it.

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UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: As a family, we thought we were prepared to help Sam fight addiction. We were painfully mistaken. Our mission is to arm others…

MANN: Working with his daughter Amy, Greg started a podcast in 2016 that emerged as a forum for information about the opioid epidemic. It features in-depth interviews with policymakers, members of Congress, scientists and public health experts like Tom Frieden, former head of the Centers for Disease Control.

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TOM FRIEDEN: Hey. This is a huge problem, folks. Pay attention. Let’s do everything we can to stop it.

MANN: The podcast reaches about 2,000 people a week nationwide. Greg McNeil also began organizing locally in Summit County, Ohio. He dragged government leaders like Green City Mayor Gerry Neugebauer into meeting rooms.

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GERRY NEUGEBAUER: I would have people come to my office – one woman who had lost three sons at three different times to opiate overdoses.

MANN: In 2016, the year Neugebauer was elected, there were 12 opioid overdoses a day in Summit County – 340 people died that year. He says he didn’t know what to do until Greg started bringing ideas, including a plan to equip local businesses with kits containing the overdose recovery drug Narcan.

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NEUGEBAUER: Some of those overdoses are taking place at those hotels. Others are at fast-food places nearby the hotels. And so we thought this was a great place to do that.

MANN: The city is training service industry workers to use the Narcan kits. Greg also convinced local leaders to organize outreach teams to counsel people who’ve survived an overdose.

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MCNEIL: They knock on doors of all the people that have overdosed. And they say, hey, we know you almost died this past week. We want to see you get help. Here’s all the resources. We want to help you.

MANN: Jeremy Chambers, a fire department medic, joined one of the teams a couple years ago.

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JEREMY CHAMBERS: I’ve had one door slammed in my face. For the most part, they are very welcoming. And I’ve had mothers crying. And they don’t know what to do. And they’re so thankful that we’re there, that we least give them some way, some path.

MANN: About a third of the people contacted this way get some kind of counseling, some kind of help. Chambers says he’s convinced the program is saving lives. And the number of overdose deaths here has declined. Greg McNeil says his volunteer work and activism also helped him survive Sam’s death.

MCNEIL: Every day that I go to work, I have a very real sense that I’m working with my son. I’m working with Sam. When we get wins in particular, it feels so rewarding.

MANN: A win, Greg says, is when someone who’s opioid dependent gets counseling or gets medical help in time. Brian Mann, NPR News, Green, Ohio.

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From Henry Ford To Elon Musk: The Past, Present And Future Of Cars

You know the feeling. The weather has just gotten warm. You get behind the wheel on a Friday afternoon and head into the weekend. Your favorite song is on the radio, you’ve got the windows down. Is there anything better?

American media have captured that scene for generations. Hundreds of songs have been written about driving and cars.

But would your feelings be the same if you weren’t the one driving? If instead, the car was driverless?

Journalist and car critic Dan Albert says that “how we understand the history of the American automobile and make sense of our automobile-dependent present will determine the driverless future.”

His new book “Are We There Yet?” traces America’s relationship with cars — from skepticism during the horse-and-buggy era, to the present, when the days of needing a person to operate a vehicle may be numbered.

Here’s part of a Forbes review of Albert’s book:

Are We There Yet? takes a linear, chronological path through American automotive history, and concludes with Albert’s bittersweet concession that we may indeed be on our way to new relationship with transportation. “When we embrace driverless cars, we will surrender our American automobile as an adventure machine, as a tool of self-expression, and the wellspring of our wealth and our defense,” he wrote. “We will be left with machines unworthy of love and unable to fill the desires our driven cars now do.”

And although car sales are soaring, interest in driving seems to be declining. A 2016 study by the University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute found “the percentage of people with a driver’s license decreased between 2011 and 2014, across all age groups,” according to The Atlantic.

How is the American relationship with cars changing? How does climate change factor into the success of the automotive industry? And will we ever be able to agree on the best playlist for a road trip?

We want to hear from you for this show. Tell us your car story! Was there a moment when cars made a big impact on your life? Leave us a voicemail, use our app, 1A VoxPop or send us an email.

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6 Suspects Detained In Shooting Of Former Baseball Star David Ortiz

Eddy Vladimir Feliz Garcia, the alleged getaway driver in the shooting of ex-Boston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz, is escorted to court in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.

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Authorities in the Dominican Republic say they have detained six suspects, including the alleged gunman, in the shooting of former Boston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz.

Four other suspects are still at large, according to the Dominican Republic’s chief prosecutor, Jean Alain Rodríguez.

The alleged assailants had been paid 400,000 Dominican pesos, or just under $8,000, to kill Ortiz, according to Police Maj. Gen. Ney Aldrin Bautista Almonte. Neither he nor Rodríguez has offered a motive for the attack on the popular ex-baseball star.

Ortiz was shot in the back at close range on Sunday while sitting at an outdoor bar in Santo Domingo, the Caribbean nation’s capital city.

The alleged gunman was identified as Rolfy Ferreyra, aka Sandy, according to authorities cited by The Associated Press.

Security camera footage outside the bar before the shooting shows two men on a motorcycle talking with other people in two different Hyundai cars. One of the men on the motorcycle has been identified as 25-year-old Eddy Vladimir Feliz Garcia, who is accused of driving the alleged gunman to the scene of the shooting.

According to court documents obtained by the AP, Feliz Garcia botched the getaway by losing control of his motorcycle. He was beaten bloody by enraged fans of Ortiz before they turned him over to the police.

In a statement, Ortiz’s wife, Tiffany, said the former star is slowly recovering in the intensive care unit at Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was flown after surgery in the Dominican Republic.

“Yesterday and this morning, David was able to sit up as well as take some steps,” she said. “His condition is guarded and he will remain in the ICU for the coming days, but he is making good progress towards recovery.”

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The Thistle & Shamrock: Raise Your Voice

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Traditional and folk songs often lend themselves to carefully crafted, multi-layered singing, with some arrangements creating remarkably beautiful, new versions of old songs, rich with voices. Join the choruses with some of your favorite bands in fuller voice.

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Rural Health: Financial Insecurity Plagues Many Who Live With Disability

Many Americans with disabilities who live in rural areas of the U.S. said it would be a challenge for them to cover an unexpected $1,000 expense, according to the results of a new poll.

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Carol Burgos is worried her neighbors think she is bringing the neighborhood down.

She lives in a mobile home park in a woodsy part of Columbia County, N.Y, just off a two-lane highway. The homes have neat yards and American flags. On a spring Saturday, some neighbors are out holding yard sales, with knickknacks spread out on folding tables. Others are out doing yardwork.

Burgos’ lawn is unruly and overgrown.

“How bad do I feel when these little old ladies are mowing their lawn and I can’t because I’m in so much pain?” she says.

Burgos is in her early 50s. She can’t mow her lawn herself because of pain and physical limits related to her osteoarthritis, degenerative disk disease and other health issues. She was deemed disabled in 1997 and lives on payments from Social Security Disability Insurance. She gets health coverage through Medicare.

She also can’t afford to pay someone to mow the lawn for her. “I don’t want another bill,” she explains. “I don’t want to be in more debt. I’m embarrassed. I don’t know, who do you ask?”

Carol Burgos is deeply frustrated she can’t even physically mow her own lawn because of pain from her osteoarthritis, degenerative disk disease and other health issues.

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Burgos estimates she is $30,000 in debt. That’s a lot, especially with so little coming in. “Less than $1,500 a month,” she says. “And that doesn’t include [costs of] fuel; cooking gas; electric; water usage.”

For food, she gets a bit of money in food stamps every month. Her income works out to about $18,000 a year — not too far off from what most people living on disability benefits make.

There’s no way she could pay a $1,000 expense right away, Burgos says. According to a recent poll NPR conducted with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, 49% of rural Americans couldn’t afford a sudden expense of that size.

The percentage was much higher — 70% — for people who, like Burgos, have disabilities. More than half of those with disabilities said their families have had problems paying for medical or dental bills in the past few years.

Burgos says she doesn’t want to have to rely on disability benefits. She used to work — she’s had lots of jobs, including helping developmentally challenged people with life skills.

She identifies as a “working person with disabilities” even though she hasn’t worked for 10 years. She is frustrated by the copays she has to pay for doctor visits and at the pharmacy — she ends up filling only her most important prescriptions, she says.

“I want to work,” she says. “Screw the money! Give me medical coverage — full medical — so I can be an able body that is willing to work.”

Burgos feels stuck in poverty and physically stuck, because it’s so hard for her to get around.

Having good access to transportation — or not — has a huge impact on the health of people living in rural parts of the country, says Dr. Kirsten Bibbins-Domingo, a professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco who studies the health of vulnerable populations.

“If you go to less populated areas — rural areas — access to a car that functions well [and] the costs for gas becomes such an essential element,” Bibbins-Domingo says. “Both to drive to seek medical care, as well as to drive to access the other resources that are necessary to pursue good health.”

Without that transportation — or ready access to other basics like healthy food or good housing — people can get into a vicious cycle, she says.

“Poor health contributes to financial instability and to poverty,” Bibbins-Domingo says, “and poverty itself we know contributes to poor health.”

That cycle of poor health and poverty hits people with disabilities particularly hard. “Their poverty levels are over two times higher, compared to those without disabilities,” says Bill Erickson of the Yang-Tan Institute on Employment and Disability at Cornell University.

The federal government does provide help to people with disabilities under two different programs. Some people, like Burgos, have a work history that entitles them to payments from Social Security Disability Insurance. Others, who never worked — perhaps because of a developmental disability — are eligible for Supplemental Security Income.

But other hurdles can arise. If you’re disabled, live in a rural area and want to work, you still have to find a job you can do.

“Since the Great Recession, rural counties really haven’t seen as much employment growth as urban counties,” Erickson says. “Also just the types of jobs that are available to those sorts of communities may be tending toward, you know, requiring people to be able to move things physically or whatever.

“And the limitations that the individual with disabilities may have,” Erickson continues, “may be preventing them from being able to do those particular types of jobs — or employers can’t provide the accommodations that may be necessary.”

Erickson’s colleague at ILR, Thomas Golden, adds that the complexity of disability benefits presents another problem for people who would like to work. It’s not clear to many people how much they are allowed to work without jeopardizing their benefits, he says, or what programs are available to help them in the job search.

For the past six years, Golden and Erickson have worked with young people receiving Supplemental Security Income as part of the New York State PROMISE initiative.

“In a lot of cases, those youth and their families weren’t ready to talk about work because they couldn’t pay their rent,” Golden says. “Or they were getting evicted. Or other basic needs needed to be met first before they could think about their own self-development, when it came to work and economic independence.”

Burgos says she would like to find a job she is able to do, with enough hours to supplement her income but not trigger a loss of her Social Security benefits. First, though, she says, she must figure out how to deal with the overgrown lawn and a student loan bill that just arrived in the mail. And she is trying to coordinate nursing care for her elderly mother.

There are good things in her life, too, Burgos says. She has her faith — she’s a born-again Christian. Her car is a bit beat up, but it works. And she has a very sweet little dog.

And even though she has to rely on a walker for long distances — and fears she eventually will end up in a wheelchair — for now, she is still well enough to get up and down the stairs to her front door.

NPR science intern Susie Neilson contributed reporting for this story.

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U.S. Defeats Thailand 13-0 To Begin Defense Of 2015 Women’s World Cup Title

The U.S. Women’s National Team began defense of its 2015 Women’s World Cup title Tuesday with a game against Thailand. It’s the first of three matches for the U.S. in the tournament’s opening round.



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The U.S. began defense of its 2015 Women’s World Cup title today with the most lopsided victory in tournament history. The U.S. defeated Thailand 13-0 before a packed and pro-U.S.A. crowd in France. NPR’s Laurel Walmsley was in the stands for the game. She joins us now. And Laurel, people were going bonkers on social media…

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CORNISH: …With each and every goal. So I can imagine what it was like in the stadium.

LAUREL WAMSLEY, BYLINE: Yeah, it was pretty wild. I mean, people were so excited when the U.S. first scored. And then from there, it just sort of turned to disbelief almost.

CORNISH: Talk about that disbelief ’cause their – they dominated throughout. So what stood out to you?

WAMSLEY: Well, I think – I mean, the – people were just so excited for the U.S. to score. I mean, I was amazed by how many people were there who weren’t Americans. We knew that the U.S. had sold a bunch of tickets, but the fans were full of French people and people from around Europe who wanted to see this U.S. team play.

And the U.S. just sort of came out swinging. I mean, they, you know, just pressed from the very beginning. They had possession the entire time. And it looked like they were just taking shot after shot on Thailand’s goal. And then by – starting in the ninth minute, they just started making them with three goals in the first half. And they looked great.

CORNISH: What was going on with Thailand? I mean, is this a team that struggled? Like, give us the context.

WAMSLEY: Well, they were considered one of the weaker teams coming into this tournament. Asia sent five teams, and they were considered maybe one of the weakest ones from Asia. And so they – this was not their first World Cup. They actually played in 2015 as well. But the U.S. had play them once before two years ago. And in that game, the U.S. also beat them. So there wasn’t huge expectations for this Thai team. Most of the players play in the Thai leagues.

But at the same time, you know, the U.S. ended up winning 13-0, which is a World Cup record for the largest margin of a win. So even by those expectations, this was a big lopsided win for the U.S.

CORNISH: Who were the stars that made their mark in this game?

WAMSLEY: Well, I mean, so many – seven different players scored. But it was Alex Morgan. She scored five goals, which was just amazing. And you know, I think coming into this, she wanted to have a great tournament. She was – at press conferences, she’s been saying, no, I’m not – don’t consider me one of the older players yet; this is going to be my World Cup.

And she just came out, and, you know, she scored one and then two and then three. And then – and they just kept coming. And so she just – she looked great. And now I think she is a strong contender for the Golden Boot – to score the most goals at this World Cup if things go the U.S.’s way.

CORNISH: It’s interesting. We’ve been hearing so much about the frustrations of women athletes on the team because of how – the disparities they talk about in terms of pay.

WAMSLEY: It’s true. And the U.S. team has made it that way. They have – very strategically, they are suing their employer, U.S. Soccer, right before this World Cup knowing that the world is watching. And so they both want the world’s attention. They know that they’re going to play well at the World Cup, or at least they intend to. And with that attention on them, they want to say, look how good we are.

And they kind of want to draw attention to the idea that, hey, you know, the U.S. team – the U.S. men’s team makes more money than they do even though the U.S. men’s team just this week lost to Venezuela 3-0. And they’re saying, we’re the best team in the world, and you still can’t pay us as much as you pay the men. Why is that exactly?

CORNISH: So in the half minute we have left, what’s next for the U.S.?

WAMSLEY: Well, so this is the group stage, and so they’ve got two more games. So next up is Chile on Sunday, and then they’ll play Sweden on Thursday. So they obviously hope to win the group and looks like they may well do that. But from there, it goes to the knockout stage, and then we’ll see what happens.

CORNISH: That’s NPR’s Laurel Wamsley in France, where this year’s Women’s World Cup is being played. Laurel, I hope you’re having a blast.

WAMSLEY: I am having a great time. Thanks so much, Audie.

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