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How Insurers Are Profiting Off Patients With Sleep Apnea

NPR’s Audie Cornish speaks with ProPublica reporter Marshall Allen about an investigation detailing how health insurers pass the high costs for sleep apnea breathing machines onto patients.



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Lots of people with a condition called sleep apnea use breathing machines at night. Machines help them sleep better, stop the snoring that annoys their partners and stay alert during the day. The machines and their accessories can cost several hundred dollars. A new ProPublica investigation details the lengths health insurers are going to pass those costs on to patients or avoid paying them altogether. ProPublica reporter Marshall Allen has written about this and joins us now. Welcome to the program.

MARSHALL ALLEN: Thank you.

CORNISH: How do these machines work?

ALLEN: Well, it’s called a CPAP machine, and CPAP stands for continuous positive airway pressure. And basically, a patient wears a mask, and the mask jets air through the nose or through the mouth to keep the airway open during the night. Now, the machines also gather data on the patient’s sleep habits. It will gather the number of hours that the patient slept. It will gather the number of sleep interruptions in some cases that the patient has. And patients assume that that data is just being gathered for their doctors, which it is because the doctors need to know this information so they can make sure the treatment is really effective.

But that data can also be beamed through a wireless modem to the supply company. And from there, it can be sent often to the insurance companies. And the insurance companies are gathering the data to determine whether or not the patient is using it enough so that the insurance company will pay for it.

CORNISH: And this happened to your own boss, I understand.

ALLEN: Yeah. So I was already working on this story when one of my editors, Eric Umansky, came to me across the newsroom, and he was really alarmed. And what had happened is he went to a doctor and got a new setting – a new air flow setting for his machine. And the company that supplies his device had sent him a modem to plug into the machine. And that way they could update his settings remotely, which he thought was a great convenience.

Well, he also needed a new mask, and they hadn’t sent a new mask, so he called the supply company a couple days later and said, hey, I need my new mask. And they said, oh, well, by the way, you haven’t been compliant with your machine. You know, last night, you only slept 2 1/2 hours. The night before, you only slept 3 1/2 hours. And that’s when he realized that the machine was actually spying on him and tracking his sleep habits and sleep patterns. And the irony is he wasn’t able to use the machine because he didn’t have the new mask and yet they hadn’t been sending the new mask because they said he wasn’t using the machine. So he was caught in this kind of crazy Catch-22.

CORNISH: At the same time, is this also illegal? I mean, is there any real legal barrier to sharing this data?

ALLEN: Absolutely not. This is legal. And when patients give their consent for treatment with a CPAP machine and their doctor prescribes it, they don’t necessarily realize it, but they’ve also given consent for the insurance company to get the information for purposes of reimbursement.

CORNISH: Marshall Allen, what are the implications for this going forward? Because sleep apnea is a pretty specific affliction, right? But there are insertable heart monitors. There are glucose meters, right? There are Fitbits. There are a lot of medical devices that are going to be sending data about. What should we be aware of going forward?

ALLEN: Well, so we did look at other devices that are common that people use, and we did find that in a lot of cases, you know, with the patient’s consent, the data is being sent to the insurance companies. And what patients need to be aware of is that that data is being used to build a profile for each patient, and that profile may actually end up rating you a higher risk. And down the road, it could lead to a patient paying higher rates for their health insurance. And on the other side of it, there are all kinds of hidden ways that insurance companies are passing the cost of care on to the patients. And so even patients who are insured, in some cases, they might be better off not using their insurance than they are using it.

CORNISH: ProPublica reporter Marshall Allen – his story is on NPR’s Shots blog. Thank you for speaking with us.

ALLEN: Thank you, Audie.

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Father Of Illinois High School Football Player Poses As Referee

A lawsuit filed by parents at the Simeon Career Academy says the man attended the game in a referee’s uniform and helped sway the outcome of the game. His son’s team, Nazareth Academy, won.



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Good morning. I’m Steve Inskeep. It’s high school football playoff season, and the parent of an Illinois player left nothing to chance. He allegedly attended a game in a referee’s uniform. He worked his way into the game standing on the sidelines talking with the real refs, and his son’s team, Nazareth Academy, came back to win. The Chicago Tribune says boosters of the losing team are suing, but the fake ref defended himself on Facebook saying I didn’t make one bad call. I made sure the best team won. It’s MORNING EDITION.

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Today in Movie Culture: 'Once Upon a Deadpool' in Lego, the True Meaning of 'Spider-Man' Movies and More

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Remade Trailer of the Day:

Huxley Berg Studios has recreated the new Once Upon A Deadpool trailer in Lego:

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Video Essay of the Day:

The latest ScreenPrism video essay looks at the big metaphor at the center of the Spider-Man movies:

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Character Swap of the Day:

Speaking of superheroes, what if Robert Downey Jr. had played Batman and Ben Affleck played Iron Man? BossLogic shows us the switcheroo:

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Dialogue Swap of the Day:

The gang at How It Should Have Ended have redubbed Ready Player One with comedic intent:

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Movie Recap of the Day:

Before you see Creed II, recollect the plot and silliness of Rocky IV thanks to Honest Trailers:

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Vintage Image of the Day:

Richar Masur, who turns 70 today, with Kurt Russell, Keith David, Charles Hallahan and others from the cast on the set of John Carpenter’s The Thing in 1982:

Actor in the Spotlight:

For Fandor, Jacob T. Swinney celebrates the talents of “complicated heartthrob” Ryan Gosling:

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Movie Scene Analysis of the Day:

In his latest video essay, Rob Ager breaks down and examines in the murder plot scene of Alfred Hitchcock’s Dial M for Murder:

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Cosplay of the Day:

We need more Disney Princess cosplay this week in honor of Ralph Breaks the Internet. Here’s a couple as Rapunzel and Flynn from Tangled:

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Classic Movie Trailer of the Day:

Today is the 20th anniversary of the release of Pixar’s A Bug’s Life. Watch the original teaser trailer for the animated classic below.

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Michigan State University Ex-President Charged With Lying In Larry Nassar Case

Former Michigan State President Lou Anna Simon, pictured before a Senate subcommittee in Washington, was charged on Tuesday with lying to police conducting an investigation of Larry Nassar’s sexual abuse.

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Former President of Michigan State University Lou Anna Simon was charged with two felony and two misdemeanor counts on Tuesday for allegedly lying to police during their investigation into how the school handled sexual abuse allegations against Larry Nassar, the doctor convicted of abusing scores of young women while employed by the university and USA Gymnastics.

According to the warrant, Simon purposefully concealed that she knew that the university’s Title IX office and police department had launched an investigation into a sexual assault complaint filed against Nassar in 2014, ESPN reported.

Nassar was eventually cleared of wrongdoing by the school but when asked by investigators about the case, Simon allegedly told police that she did not know the name of the sports medicine doctor involved.

“In fact she knew it was Larry Nassar who was the subject,” investigators said according to ESPN.

Nassar pleaded guilty earlier this year to federal child pornography charges and 10 counts of criminal sexual conduct in Michigan state courts.

Simon, who has denied any criminal wrongdoing, could face up to four years in prison, according to the Associated Press. The 71-year-old is scheduled to be arraigned on Monday in Eaton County, Mich.

“The only crime committed is the criminal complaint,” Simon’s lawyer, Mayer Morganroth told The New York Times. “It is political and completely false and the responsible party will pay for it. Shame on them.”

Simon, resigned as university president under mounting pressure in January — the same day Nassar was sentenced to up to 175 years in prison for sexually abusing more than 150 patients. “As Nassar’s legal journey to prison was drawing to a close, more and more negative attention was focused on Michigan State University, and on me,” Simon wrote in her resignation letter.

“As tragedies are politicized, blame is inevitable. As president, it is only natural that I am the focus of this anger,” she added.

Despite stepping down she remained a member of the faculty as a “distinguished professor” and continued draw the $750,000 annual salary she had earned while at the helm of Michigan State. But following the charges, university spokeswoman Emily Guerrant told the AP Simon is taking an immediate unpaid leave of absence “to focus on her legal situation.”

Simon is the latest campus official to be criminally charged in the wake of Nassar’s convictions for molesting young female athletes over several decades, from at least 1992 until 2014. As the AP reported:

“In August, Schuette charged former MSU gymnastics head coach Kathie Klages with lying to an investigator when she denied that witnesses told her years ago about being sexually assaulted by Nassar. In March, the ex-dean of the osteopathic medicine school, William Strampel, was charged with neglecting his duty to enforce examining-room restrictions imposed on Nassar after the 2014 Title IX investigation.”

The fallout of Nassar’s crimes and the subsequent alleged attempts of cover ups or willful denials of abuse extend beyond Michigan State; USA Gymnastics officials have also been accused of “ignoring reports of Nassar’s extensive sexual abuse and actively working to hide it.”

Steve Penny, the former president of USA Gymnastics was arrested in October over allegations that he tampered with evidence related to a Nassar investigation. And earlier this month the U.S. Olympic Committee began the process of revoking USA Gymnastics’ status as the governing body for the sport.

In May the university agreed to pay $500 million to settle claims by hundreds of Nassar’s victims.

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The Ins & Outs Of The Minimum Wage

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Back in the day, the minimum wage got a bad rap. Until a few decade ago, economists generally believed that if you increased the minimum wage, companies wouldn’t hire as many workers. Since then, economists have been carefully studying what happens after individual states increase their own minimum wages — providing useful, if imperfect, experiments.

Arindrajit Dube is a professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. He joined us to talk about studies on the minimum wage, including some of his own, examining the effects from minimum wage increases on the labor market.

And the story is more complicated and multifaceted than many people realize.

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How Do Wishes Granted To Very Sick Kids Affect Their Health?

While recovering from treatment for aplastic anemia, Tiffany Rowe had her wish granted. She danced on stage with Michael Jackson during his Bad concert tour.

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Tiffany Rowe, a 46-year-old life coach in the San Francisco Bay area, still remembers how it felt as a teenager to be hoisted onstage to dance with Michael Jackson during his Bad concert tour.

She was 15 and recovering from an excruciating round of treatment for severe idiopathic aplastic anemia — basically total bone marrow failure.

She had met Jackson in his greenroom before the concert, but she had been told that dancing with him — her real wish — wouldn’t be possible.

Until it was.

“I was in front of all of those people, and I could hear the roar, and I was calm,” she recalls. “I was doing what I wished to do. I felt exactly the way I needed to feel, at home and confident in my body. There had been part of me that felt pretty betrayed by my body, and I felt very at peace in my own skin again.”

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The moment was transformative for Rowe, who credits the experience with aiding her recovery. A study published in the journal Pediatric Research suggests her experience may not be unique.

Researchers looked back at the cases of nearly 1,000 children with serious illnesses who were treated at Nationwide Children’s Hospital in Columbus, Ohio. Half the children had received wishes and the other half hadn’t.

The children granted wishes were substantially less likely to visit the emergency department or to have an unplanned hospital admission within two years as compared with children who hadn’t received wishes. (Researchers matched the children’s personal and disease characteristics in the study.)

“My hypothesis is that these kids, when they come back, are more engaged with their families and medical providers, and perhaps they’re more adherent to their treatment plan,” says the study’s lead author Dr. Anup D. Patel, section chief of neurology at Nationwide Children’s Hospital and an associate professor of pediatrics at Ohio State University College of Medicine in Columbus.

“What’s harder to quantify is this feeling of hope and having a break from your illness,” Patel says. “It gives them an ability to fight harder, and that’s harder to measure.”

That ineffable feeling is what mattered for Rowe. Her illness had been caught late. She likely wouldn’t have lived another month without treatment, she says. Even with treatment, her prognosis was three to six months.

She lacked a perfect match for a bone marrow transplant, and she was so sick that her doctors didn’t want to risk a potentially fatal transplant rejection. So she received a then-experimental therapy called antithymocyte globulin, today a common treatment for aplastic anemia.

“I remember my mom saying, ‘We don’t know how this ends, but we have to try,’ ” Rowe says. She received her first treatment in the fall of 1984 and entered remission, but she relapsed in the fall of 1987.

“For me, relapse had a deeper emotional toll. I understood what I was headed back into, the pain and uncertainty and fear,” Rowe says. “I felt a bit demoralized, like I had failed. I didn’t want to be sick anymore. I didn’t want to have to survive anything.”

It was around then that a volunteer who had read about Rowe in the local paper visited her and offered a wish. Rowe didn’t hesitate.

“When everyone else wanted to be an astronaut, I wanted to be a dancer and dance with Michael Jackson,” Rowe says. “When he moved, it just stopped time for me. As somebody who felt so passionately about dance myself and so elementally at home in my body while dancing, I just saw that in him and felt a kinship.”

Joining him onstage gave Rowe back ownership over her body — and her future.

“There was a sense that I was fighting for something, not just against something, and that was incredibly motivating,” she says. “I was surviving to go back and live a full and extraordinary life — not that I knew that would happen, but I could give myself permission to believe it was possible.”

To qualify for a wish, a child must have a life-threatening, but not necessarily terminal, condition, says Jamie Sandys, a spokesperson at Make-A-Wish Foundation. The foundation has more than 60 U.S.-based chapters and has granted more than 300,000 wishes since 1980.

The organization granted approximately 15,400 wishes last year, Sandys says. Still, an estimated 27,000 children are diagnosed annually with an illness that qualifies them, which concerns Sandys. “There’s a huge gap that we’re trying to fill,” Sandys says.

Many past wish recipients have said the wish was an important part of their healing process. “These wishes can really be a springboard to help these children in overcoming their illnesses and producing better health outcomes for them,” Sandys says.

But verifying and quantifying those outcomes is difficult.

“It’s wonderful to have randomized controlled trials and measurable outcomes, but when you’re looking at mind-body-spirit connection in medicine, we’re not going to have the luxury of those outcomes,” says Dr. James Fahner, a division chief for pediatric oncology at the Helen DeVos Children’s Hospital in Grand Rapids, Mich. Though not involved in the study, Fahner is the immediate past chair of the Make-A-Wish America Medical Advisory Council.

“I’m fundamentally a scientist, and I expect reasonable, reproducible metrics when I’m deciding on the validity of a particular cancer therapy, yet when I walk down the hall in that same clinic and see a child who has just returned from a wish, I see positive impacts like stronger adherence to therapy, family resiliency and hopefulness in the child,” Fahner says. “The connection of mind-body-spirit can be hugely important, especially in a child going through such a rigorous and long therapy.”

A previous study tried to measure the effects of wish-granting and found less distress, fewer episodes of depression and reduced anxiety symptoms among children expecting a wish in the near future compared with those placed on a waiting list.

This new study found more concrete differences, including cost savings. The average cost of a wish is $10,682, but multiple unplanned hospitalizations cost more. The study found that twice as many wish recipients had reduced health costs compared with people who didn’t receive them.

Patel was inspired to conduct this study after seeing changes in his own patients and before he joined the organization’s medical advisory council. He had one 15-year-old boy with intractable seizures return from meeting the Los Angeles Clippers and never have a seizure again — a dramatic if rare and unlikely outcome.

But Patel is also a scientist who believes in evidence. He knew his study would be scrutinized by others who doubted “that something as wishy-washy as a wish could make a difference.” He chose to measure use of health care services because it is quantifiable in a way that “wellness” isn’t.

All the children were treated at the same hospital by the same medical teams, though it’s unclear why some received a wish and some didn’t.

The researchers used medical records to identify 496 children who received a wish and compared them with 496 others with the same approximate age, gender, disease category and disease complexity. The distribution of private insurance, no insurance or Medicaid was also similar in both groups.

Cancer was the most common illness — at 45 percent — among the children studied. After that, the most frequent conditions were blood-related/kidney (16.5 percent), neurological (14.5 percent) or genetic (14 percent). The breakdown is consistent with national figures: 45 percent of Make-A-Wish recipients have cancer and 13.5 percent have a nervous system disorder, Sandys says.

The researchers found that wish recipients were 1.9 times more likely to have fewer emergency department visits and 2.5 times more likely to have fewer unplanned hospitalizations in the two years after their wish was granted, compared with matched children.

The study is observational, so it can’t show that receiving a wish caused better outcomes since other factors may have affected the results. But many health care providers see change in their patients after wishes are granted.

“More positivity can sometimes be correlated with treatment adherence,” says Ashley Andrews, a social worker at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City, Mo. Andrews wasn’t involved in the study but has connected children diagnosed with cystic fibrosis to Make-A-Wish.

The excitement of a wish can change a family’s and child’s outlook enough that they may work harder with their medical providers, she says. “If their adherence has improved, obviously that would decrease the emergency department visits and hospitalizations.”

But it’s also possible other factors affected emergency visits and hospitalizations in nonrecipients, such as the reasons some children didn’t receive wishes. Perhaps they weren’t well enough to travel and weren’t interested in nontravel wishes. Perhaps parents turned down a wish if they felt another family deserved it more.

Andrews also cautioned against too much optimism about the findings. “These kids still have a chronic illness and have to go through a lot of obstacles that you and I don’t have to go through,” Andrews says. “That’s their reality, so I don’t want people to think that just because these kids have Make-A-Wish that everything’s fine.”

Dr. Arthur Lavin, chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, says the findings make sense to him, too. But he also cautions that a child’s worse health outcomes aren’t a “failure” of the wish or of positive thinking.

“We like to think you can only have improved health if you have an expensive medication, and those things can be critical to help, but being kind and caring to someone has an amazing impact on [their] health and well-being,” Lavin says.

But the measurement of the effect of kindness isn’t entirely clear or predictable, he notes. Even if such effects aren’t as quantifiable as other therapies, Patel sees their value in less quantifiable terms.

“I recognize on a daily basis that I’m not going to help get seizures gone in a majority of cases with traditional interventions, so I’m always looking for ways to help families beyond treatment,” Patel says. “Even if it’s just making a kid happy for a couple of weeks, that’s sometimes better than any medicine I can give them.”

Tara Haelle is a freelance health and science writer.

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Today in Movie Culture: 'Fantastic Beasts 2' Easter Eggs, 'Rocky' and 'Creed' Franchise Recap and More

Here are a bunch of little bites to satisfy your hunger for movie culture:

Easter Eggs of the Day:

Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald topped the box office over the weekend. Meanwhile, Mr. Sunday movies compiled a list of all its Easter eggs and Wizarding World connections:

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Franchise Recap of the Day:

With Creed II coming out this week, MovieClips highlights the Rocky and Creed franchise up to the new sequel:

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Filmmaking Lesson of the Day:

The latest video essay tutorial from Studio Binder explains the usefulness of the rack focus shot, featuring one from Casino Royale as an example:

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Supercut of the Day:

Eclectic Method compiled all the best insult lines from movies and turned it into a dance mix in this NSFW video:

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Vintage Image of the Day:

Charlie Kaufman, who turns 60 today, with director Michel Gondry and actress Kate Winslet on the set of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind in 2003:

Actor in the Spotlight:

For Yahoo!, Kevin Costner discusses his most iconic roles in movies including Field of Dreams and Bull Durham:

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Video Essay of the Day:

For Fandor, Jacob T. Swinney reminds us why Martin Scorsese’s Goodfellas is the quintessential crime film:

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Movie Scene Analysis of the Day:

Speaking of great crime films, Filmento looks closely at Heat with specific focus on the bank-heist shootout sequence:

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Cosplay of the Day:

Joker isn’t even close to hitting theaters yet, and the kids are already cosplaying as Joaquin Phoenix’s version of the DC villain:

Arthur Fleck #Joker cosplay pic.twitter.com/hSeoGgYT4N

— Jen Chavez (@chavez_jen) November 19, 2018

Classic Movie Trailer of the Day:

Today is the 25th anniversary of the release of Addams Family Values. Watch the original trailer for the classic sequel below.

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Airbnb Plans To Remove Listings In Israeli Settlements

Some residents of the Israeli settlement Eli, shown here in 2016, have been renting out properties there using Airbnb.

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Property-renting company Airbnb says it plans to remove listings in Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.

Israeli Tourism Minister Yariv Levin described it as a “disgraceful surrender,” while senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat called it an “initial positive step.”

Broadly, settlements are viewed as an obstacle to peace by Palestinians and the international community, and the U.N. Human Rights Council and the U.N. Security Council have said settlements on land captured by Israel are illegal under international law.

Airbnb said in a statement that its decision impacts about 200 Airbnb listings. It said it had previously allowed listings in Israeli settlements in the West Bank “because we believe that people-to-people travel has considerable value,” adding that it had made the latest decision after weighing the issue over time and speaking to experts.

“We concluded that we should remove listings in Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank that are at the core of the dispute between Israelis and Palestinians,” the company said. “We know that people will disagree with this decision and appreciate their perspective.”

As of Monday afternoon, listings within settlements still appear to be up on the site. The company told NPR’s Daniel Estrin that it plans to remove them “in the days ahead.”

Levin has stated that the Ministry of Tourism is taking action to “limit the company’s activity throughout the country.” And Gilad Erdan, the minister of strategic affairs, is encouraging people affected by the new policy to file lawsuits against Airbnb.

This comes after pressure from rights groups. Human Rights Watch says it has been urging Airbnb to leave the controversial region for two years.

“In essence they are helping to broker rentals on land stolen from Palestinians, for which those Palestinians themselves … are barred from entering,” Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director of Human Rights Watch, tells Estrin. The organization is preparing to release a report on the issue Tuesday, titled “Bed and Breakfast on Stolen Land.”

Airbnb made the announcement in a post titled “Listings in Disputed Regions.” It did not specify any policy changes in other disputed areas but said that each situation should be evaluated with a “case-by-case approach.”

Israelis say they feel singled out, while there are other conflicts going on that haven’t received as much international scrutiny. “The senior management of Airbnb will have to explain why they specifically, and uniquely, chose to implement this political and discriminatory decision in the case of citizens of the state of Israel,” said Erdan.

Eliana Passentin, an Israeli citizen who lives in the settlement of Eli in the West Bank, tells Estrin that she has rented her home several times to tourists. She criticized Airbnb’s decision.

“It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever,” said Passentin. “They’ve become political. … Instead of building bridges they are building fences.”

Businesses with ties to Israeli settlements are coming under increasing scrutiny from the United Nations. A report earlier this year from the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights compiled a list of about 200 companies that do business with settlements; as Estrin reported at the time, the U.S. and Israel urged the U.N. not to publish that list.

Israel has also criticized the decision by saying that it singles out Israel.

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Rhode Island Prisons Push To Get Inmates The Best Treatment For Opioid Addiction

A view inside Rhode Island’s John J. Moran Medium Security Prison, in Cranston. Rhode Island is the only state to screen every individual who comes into the correctional system for opioid use disorder, and to offer, in conjunction with with counseling, all three medically effective treatments.

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In a windowless classroom at the John J. Moran medium-security prison in Cranston, R.I., three men sit around a table to share how and when they began using opioids.

For Josh, now 39, it was when he was just 13 years old. “I got grounded for a week in my house, so I grabbed a bundle of heroin and just sat inside and sniffed it all week.”

“I started using heroin at 19,” says Ray, now 23. “I was shooting it. It was with a group of friends that I was working with, doing roof work.”

“At 26 years old, I experimented with heroin,” says Kevin, 50. “I wasn’t the person that I wanted to be. Once I put that in my system, I felt like this is what I’m supposed to do and this is what I’m supposed to feel like.”

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This group therapy session is part of a $2 million program the Rhode Island Department of Corrections launched in 2016. These men are all serving prison sentences for crimes driven by their drug addiction — including robbery, shoplifting and possession of controlled substances. NPR agreed to only use their first names so they could speak frankly about illegal behavior.

They are among the approximately 275 inmates and pretrial detainees getting medication-assisted treatment behind bars.

The program is central to Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo’s strategy to reduce opioid overdose deaths in the state. Today, Rhode Island remains the only state to screen every individual who comes into the correctional system for opioid use disorder, and to offer, along with drug counseling, all three types of drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat addiction — methadone, buprenorphine and naltrexone.

While prisons have long offered medication-assisted treatment to small subsets of inmates, such as pregnant women, many prisons in the U.S. do not offer it at all, despite the fact that it’s considered by physicians to be the most effective treatment for opioid addiction.

The criminal justice reform bill currently before Congress would require the Federal Bureau of Prisons to assess its capacity to provide medication-assisted treatment to inmates who are dependent on opioids, and to draw up plans to expand access to medically aided treatment “where appropriate.” But the bill leaves open who would determine when and where the medication is appropriate.

“It’s just ludicrous that we have a whole population of people who are by and large incarcerated because of their disease, and we have an effective medication treatment for the disease and we don’t give it to them,” says Dr. Josiah Rich, director of the Center for Prisoner Health and Human Rights at the Miriam Hospital in Providence.

Rich was one of the experts tapped by Raimondo to identify where best to direct resources to bring down the state’s overdose deaths. He made the case for a prison program, given the high death rate among people recently incarcerated.

“This is a population of the most severely impacted, the most advanced stages of opioid use disorder — the people who have taken the greatest risks and gotten caught up in the system,” Rich says. While in prison, the inmates’ opioid use usually ends, and so does their ability to tolerate high doses of the drugs without overdosing.

“Then you get released into a very stressful situation with a lot of triggers, and you typically relapse,” Rich says. “And if you relapse back to the same level you were using, you’re set up for overdose and death.”

This is what drove the Rhode Island Department of Corrections to offer medication-assisted treatment not just to people coming into prison, but also to those who began serving their sentences before the program existed. Eight to 12 weeks before their release, inmates with histories of addiction are offered methadone, buprenorphine or naltrexone to ease their transition back to society, beginning with very low doses.

“Even if somebody has not used in many years, they may still have changes in their brain,” says Dr. Jennifer Clarke, the Department of Corrections medical programs director. “The cravings are always going to be there. So, if somebody’s going back to the same old neighborhood, chances are they’re going to be exposed to the same people as when they were using drugs.

“So, providing the medication before someone gets out really helps to prevent a relapse,” Clarke says.

The possibility of relapse is top of mind for the men in group therapy. They have friends who have overdosed and died after serving time.

Kevin has just a few weeks left in his sentence, one of many that he’s served in his adult life. “It feels good, but I’m nervous. I always get nervous,” he says. “As soon as I walk out the gates — my feet, when they hit the pavement outside of here, I have to get busy immediately.”

“You worry about the drug aspect once you hit the street,” says Josh who has also served multiple sentences for drug-related crimes. “Many times, I’ve gone out of here and overdosed repeatedly. Not on purpose, just accidentally, trying to hide from the pain, hide from myself.”

This time, Josh says, the treatment program has given him a way to focus on a different way out.

“I still have to fight the other drugs,” he says. “But at least I have something to help with one of the ones that’s brought me closer to death than anything else.”

The program inside the prison is run by CODAC, a behavioral healthcare organization that also runs substance abuse treatment programs outside the prison, with locations across Rhode Island. Prisoners who enter the program remain clients when they exit prison, with treatment outside typically paid for by Medicaid. Discharge planners from CODAC help the inmates get organized for that transition.

“I already have counseling appointments lined up, doctors appointments lined up,” says Ray, who is scheduled to be released in December. In prison, he’s been taking buprenorphine, which he’ll continue the day he gets out. “I really don’t want to use heroin again.”

Early reports from the program are promising. In a study published in JAMA Psychiatry last spring, researchers found that overdose deaths among people who had recently been imprisoned dropped sharply in the first six months of 2017 as compared to the same period the year before — nine deaths, compared to 26.

Researchers continue to track outcomes and are interviewing inmates and correctional staff to learn more about how well the program is functioning.

There have been hurdles to overcome, says Lauranne Howard, substance abuse coordinator for the Department of Corrections, starting with resistance from security staff about the use of buprenorphine in the program. Buprenorphine itself is an opioid, though less potent than street drugs in many of its effects, and sometimes ends up sold or given to people outside its intended use.

“The reaction was, why are you going to bring in a medication that we’re working real hard to keep out? And that’s a legitimate concern,” Howard says.

In response, the program has made some changes. CODAC’s Leslie Barber, who directs the prison program and runs the group therapy sessions, says they launched the program using buprenorphine pills, which take awhile to dissolve.

“We compromised by switching to the films which, although more expensive, dissolve quicker,” she says. CODAC says the buprenorphine pills cost approximately $4 each, while the films cost approximately $8 each.

A number of other states have taken notice and sent corrections officials to Rhode Island to learn from their experiences. Clarke points out that Rhode Island has the advantage of being a small state with a combined jail and prison system, so that everyone who is incarcerated comes to the same campus.

“Places like Rikers Island [in New York City] have all three types of medication for opiate use disorder, but they can’t start people who might have a prison sentence, because they’re going to be sent to a different facility, and they don’t have the same opportunities to continue treatment that we have,” Clarke says.

Patricia Coyne-Fague, acting director of corrections for Rhode Island, recognizes that even with this program, people will stumble and make mistakes — even end up reincarcerated. Still, she defends the $2 million annual expenditure with the argument that the program saves lives.

“Sometimes there can be a negative attitude about whose lives we are saving,” she says. “But everybody belongs to somebody. And so, while they may have committed a crime and deserve to be incarcerated, they’re still human beings. And if we can keep people from dying, that’s a good thing.”

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Not My Job: We Quiz Orlando Magic Star Aaron Gordon On Actual Magic

Aaron Gordon of the Orlando Magic handles the ball on Oct. 26, 2016 at Amway Center in Orlando, Fla.

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We recorded the show in Orlando, Fla., this week so we’ve invited NBA star Aaron Gordon of the Orlando Magic to play a game called “Abracadabra!” Three questions about great magicians.

Click the audio link above to see how he does.



PETER SAGAL, HOST:

And now the game where famous people are asked about obscure things. We call it Not My Job. People who visit Orlando are excited about the theme parks like Dinosaur World and Gatorland.

(CHEERING)

SAGAL: But the people who live here are most excited about their basketball team, their Orlando Magic, and its star small forward…

(APPLAUSE)

SAGAL: …Aaron Gordon. Aaron joins us now.

Aaron Gordon, welcome to WAIT WAIT… DON’T TELL ME.

AARON GORDON: Oh, thank you. I appreciate you having me on.

SAGAL: It’s great to have you.

GORDON: All right. All right. All right.

SAGAL: You’ve got fans. I’ve got to ask you – I should admit I’m not, you know, conversant with, like, the basketball stuff – how is it that someone the size of the Statue of Liberty…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …Is a small forward?

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: I would like to think of myself as a powerful small forward…

SAGAL: Right.

GORDON: …You know? It’s just, like, kind of a mix of a couple of different things.

SAGAL: Is it, like, a power forward, and then there’s a small forward?

GORDON: Yeah, exactly.

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: So it’s kind of like a lot of – maybe a hyphen in it.

SAGAL: Hyphen? Yeah, OK. Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

MO ROCCA: Is the power forward more of a ball hog? Because it sounds like the small forward is nicer and shares the ball more.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: When it comes to rebounding, yes. A power forward can just be as ball hog-ish (ph) as he’d like to be.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Now, we found out something interesting. You did a lot of sports growing up, as we might expect from a guy of your talents, but you also played hockey.

GORDON: Yes.

(CHEERING)

GORDON: Yes – ice hockey.

SAGAL: So what ultimately made you choose basketball over hockey?

GORDON: I just kind of had a natural affinity for basketball.

SAGAL: Your whole family…

GORDON: Yeah.

SAGAL: …Is a family of basketball players. Your parents play? Your father play?

GORDON: Yeah. Dad played at San Diego State.

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: And…

SAGAL: And your brother plays pro ball.

GORDON: He played pro ball overseas. He’s been to a bunch of places. So he plays, and then my sister played at Harvard…

SAGAL: Right.

GORDON: So she was a Harvard basketball player. And I was.

(APPLAUSE)

SAGAL: Right. So I imagine your friendly games at home are absolutely vicious.

GORDON: Oh, my gosh. Oh, they were…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: …Gruesome at times.

SAGAL: Really? You guys – because I know that one of the things the NBA is known for is trash talk. Do you trash-talk your siblings?

GORDON: Oh, definitely.

SAGAL: All right. Tell me something.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: All right. Let’s go with what you say to your sister.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: It’s kind of like the saying – I’m the youngest…

SAGAL: Right.

GORDON: So, just by nature, I’m the most annoying.

SAGAL: Right. Of course.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: That’s your role. I have a younger brother. Yeah.

GORDON: More like, nah-nah-nah-nah-nah, I’m better. You’re not. You know what…

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: …I mean? Along the lines of…

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: Yeah.

SAGAL: Yeah. I mean…

GORDON: That’s about it.

SAGAL: I mean, just do you, like, leave your NBA contract out on a table?

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Oh, I’m sorry. I left this here. Let me pick it up.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Oh, some money fell out of my pocket. Let me grab that, as well.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: So here you are in Orlando. You’re playing ball. What kind of town is it for playing basketball?

GORDON: It’s a great city. It’s…

(CHEERING)

GORDON: …You guys are awesome.

SAGAL: I’ve always wondered about this because everybody knows that sports fans get very passionate. Do you guys care as much as, like, we do about whether you win or lose?

GORDON: Oh, man. That’s a great question. You know…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: It’s – they’re really fanatics, you know what I mean…

SAGAL: Yeah, I know.

GORDON: …In every sense of the word, you know?

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: They’re – I think they care about it equally if not more than we do.

SAGAL: Really?

GORDON: Yeah. Yeah.

SAGAL: Do you ever feel like looking over at the fans and going, guys, it’s a game. Nobody died.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: We’re all actually friends.

GORDON: Yeah. They, like, look me in my eyes and say, I hate you.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Really?

GORDON: Whoa. I don’t think I did anything to deserve that, but, you know…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: I’m just going to cordially beat your team, but…

SAGAL: OK. All right.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: I actually – one of the – this – I guess hockey, the fans are closer because they’re on the other side of the glass, but there’s glass. You guys are, like, closest to the fans of any professional sport. You actually sometimes fall on top of them.

GORDON: Yes.

SAGAL: And is that weird? I mean, because if you’re – like, has one guy in – like, sitting down front like a Jack Nicholson type ever, like, said something to you, like, right in your face?

GORDON: Oh, no. See, I think they understand that there’s no barrier.

SAGAL: Right.

GORDON: You know what I mean? So in hockey, there’s that glass barrier.

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: You know, it’s kind of like having two dogs on opposite sides of the gate.

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: You know? Like, they’re, like, barking at each other.

SAGAL: Yeah. Yeah.

GORDON: But then, when you leave the gate, they’re, like, oh, OK. Just, you know, sniff each other.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: So there’s no barrier, so the fans kind of keep it to themselves because, you know, we have access to them.

(LAUGHTER)

ROCCA: Have you ever had to console a fan that was upset with your performance?

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: Oh, definitely.

ROCCA: And how do you do that? How do you approach that?

GORDON: Hey, it’s OK. I understand. You’re very into this game right now.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: But I’m going to continue to do what I do.

SAGAL: Right.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: So, like – and they’re like…

(APPLAUSE)

GORDON: OK. You know, OK. They don’t really talk after that.

SAGAL: Yeah. You are known for your enthusiasm for the slam dunk contest.

GORDON: Yes.

SAGAL: Yes.

GORDON: Yes.

SAGAL: And…

(APPLAUSE)

SAGAL: You did a slam dunk in which you vaulted on top of and then over the mascot. And you just – did you just go up to the mascot and say, you’re just going to stand there, and I’m going to jump up, put my hands on your head and go over you, and you’re going to hold up the ball. And the mascot was, like, OK.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: Pretty much.

SAGAL: The mascot – is he, like – the mascot does not say no to Aaron Gordon.

GORDON: It’s actually – it’s really funny because Stuff the Magic Dragon – he’s a great mascot. You know what I mean?

(CHEERING)

GORDON: He’s a great mascot. He is. He’s this, like, green dragon. He has these stars on the top of his head. And, when I was practicing, I couldn’t get the grip of the ball right. So I was, like, Stuff, buddy…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: You might need to take the stars off your head. And he was really going to take one for the team. He was a team player. And we did it, and I got the dunk. But I could just see the sadness in this mascot…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: …In his body language – like he had lost a part of himself with the stars. You know, so…

SAGAL: Stuff…

GORDON: Yeah. So we were, like, OK. We put the stars back on his head. Just – I had to make it work for the sake of him.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: That’s a heartwarming story.

GORDON: Yeah.

(APPLAUSE)

GORDON: That’s my good friend these days.

SAGAL: Well, Aaron Gordon, we’ve invited you here to play a game we’re calling…

BILL KURTIS: Abracadabra.

SAGAL: You play for the Orlando Magic, but what do you know about the real magic – by which we mean magic shows?

(CHEERING)

SAGAL: We’re going to ask you three questions about great magicians. Answer two of them correctly, and you will win our prize for one of our listeners – the voice of their choice on their voicemail. Bill, who is Aaron playing for?

SAGAL: Hal Ray of Tampa, Fla.

(CHEERING)

GORDON: OK – Florida boy. All right. Here we go.

SAGAL: All right. Here’s your first question. One of the great magicians of the late 19th century was Harry Kellar. How did Kellar learn to do his greatest trick, the levitating woman? Was it, A, he was a practicing Buddhist who attained enlightenment and was given control over gravity…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …B, he tied the woman to a thousand trained fleas, who flew her upward…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …Or C, he walked up on stage while another magician was doing the trick, ran around back to see what was done and then ran away.

GORDON: I’m going to go with the latter one.

SAGAL: You’re correct.

(SOUNDBITE OF BELL)

GORDON: All right. I like that. I like that.

(APPLAUSE)

SAGAL: It was pretty daring, but that’s how you get to be a legend of magic. All right. Second question – let’s see if you do as well. Another great magician of that golden era of magic was Carter the Great, and one of his famous tricks was which of these? A, the magical divorce, a trick in which he made his own wife disappear…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …B, the disappearing theater in which the entire audience found itself in a suddenly vacant lot sitting on their butts; or C, the vaguely disquieting meal in which Carter ate an ear of corn raw.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: I think I’m going to go with B.

SAGAL: You’re going with B – the disappearing theater. All of a sudden, everybody was out there sitting on their butts in a field.

GORDON: That’s the one.

SAGAL: That’s the one. He picked it. Sadly, he missed this shot. No, I’m afraid.

GORDON: Oh, dang.

SAGAL: It was actually the magical divorce. He made his wife disappear. His wife eventually decided that wasn’t funny.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: So she’s still around.

SAGAL: She’s still around. She stayed married to him…

GORDON: OK.

SAGAL: But he changed the name of the trick to the phantom bride. So this is your last question. If you get this right, you win.

GORDON: OK.

SAGAL: Some magicians have been able to use their skills in real life such as in which of these? A, Doug Henning, who used to skip out on dinner checks by making himself disappear during dessert…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …B, Penn Jillette, who for three years has made himself look like he’s lost a hundred pounds by constantly surrounding himself with trick mirrors…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …Or C, David Copperfield, who once made his wallet disappear while he was being mugged.

GORDON: I’m going to go with Copperfield. It’s C.

SAGAL: You’re going to go David Copperfield. That’s right, Aaron.

(SOUNDBITE OF BELL)

GORDON: Yay.

(APPLAUSE)

GORDON: Thanks.

SAGAL: He says he was being mugged outside walking to his car after a performance. Some guy came up, tried to mug him, and he made his watch, wallet and passport disappear.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: Oh, man.

SAGAL: Bill, how did Aaron do on our quiz?

KURTIS: Two out of three is a win.

SAGAL: Congratulations.

(APPLAUSE)

GORDON: Thanks.

SAGAL: Aaron Gordon is the small forward for the Orlando Magic. Aaron Gordon, thank you for joining us on WAIT WAIT… DON’T TELL ME. Aaron Gordon, everybody.

GORDON: All right.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MAGIC”)

B.O.B.: (Singing) I’ve got the magic in me. Every time I touch that track, it turns into gold. Everybody knows I’ve got the magic in me.

SAGAL: In just a minute, Bill sits on his phone in the Listener Limerick Challenge. Call 1-888-WAIT-WAIT to join us on the air. We’ll be back in a minute with more of WAIT WAIT… DON’T TELL ME from NPR.

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