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Cancer Patients Get Little Guidance From Doctors On Using Medical Marijuana

Kate Murphy felt frustrated by a lack of advice from doctors on how to use medical marijuana to mitigate side effects from her cancer treatment.

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Like most patients, Murphy’s first step was to ask her oncologist. Murphy said she loved her doctor and care team at Mount Auburn Hospital in Cambridge, but they had no advice to offer on medical marijuana.

“They said ‘yes, you can look into it,’ ” she said. “But I felt sad because you’re so lost and you’re so sick and this is so not your area of expertise, that it was very upsetting to me to not get direction one way or the other.”

Only about 1 percent of Massachusetts’ 25,000 doctors are registered with the state and allowed to legally prescribe marijuana. And only a fraction of those know much about cancer care.

Last June, the Massachusetts Medical Society approved a new online curriculum for medical marijuana. Six months later, only 27 medical professionals have taken the section on cancer care and cannabis. Both the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and the Massachusetts General Hospital Cancer Center said they had no experts on staff to speak with us for this report.

Murphy eventually found her way to Dr. Jordan Tishler, who runs medical cannabis clinics in Cambridge and Brookline, called inhaleMD.

Tishler, a former emergency room physician and music producer, said he treats cannabis like any other therapy, meeting with new patients for an extended conversation and follow-ups. But some cannabis prescribers, he said, just want to sign the state paperwork and move on.

“By and large, physicians are simply saying, ‘yes, you can have it,’ and then stopping the conversation there,” he said.

Tischler explained that medical centers — particularly those that take federal funding — are in a tight spot because federal law still classifies cannabis as an illegal drug, despite its legalization for medical purposes, at a minimum, in 30 states and the District of Columbia.

“Most of those institutions are prohibited and/or afraid of the prohibitions from the federal government, so have opted not to pursue this within their domain,” Tischler said. He set up his private clinic so he could operate outside of those systems, though he said he receives referrals from all the major hospitals.

In early January, Attorney General Jeff Sessions told the nation’s U.S. attorneys to resume aggressively pursuing marijuana growers and distributors, even in states where marijuana has been legalized. It’s not clear yet what that will mean for Massachusetts’ medical marijuana system, but a few days later, Massachusetts U.S. Attorney Andrew Lelling said he cannot and will not rule out prosecuting state-sanctioned marijuana businesses.

As it currently stands, authorized doctors like Tishler have to fill out an online form with the state, which the patient then submits with a $50 check to request a license. Tishler said the process used to take several weeks, but now the state usually issues a medical card within three or four days of receiving a request.

Then, the patient has to take that license to one of the state-approved medical marijuana dispensaries, which offer a wide array of products containing cannabis.

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New England Treatment Access, or NETA, whose Brookline dispensary is housed in an old bank building, sells 130 products. Garden Remedies, whose dispensary is in Newton about a block from a Whole Foods, sells 50 items, including bath bombs, lip balm and marijuana-infused honey they make themselves in their cultivation facility.

Murphy said she would have been overwhelmed by those choices if she hadn’t had a doctor like Tishler advising her on what to take. Tishler said he tells cancer patients, for example, that they should avoid using novelty items like bath bombs and creams. They may be fun, but they won’t help with nausea or pain, he says.

Murphy didn’t like the idea of edibles. She had young children at home and was anxious they might find a brownie too tempting to pass up.

Tishler warned his patients against getting advice on care either from the Internet — which he said is loaded with misinformation — or from the counter folks at the dispensaries, who are trained in their products but are not legally allowed to give out medical advice.

“They’re doing the best they can, but fundamentally, they’re salespeople,” he said. “Their level of training, I often say, is about the level of a Starbucks barista. So, I tell patients, ‘look, if you wouldn’t ask your coffee guy about your health, probably you shouldn’t ask these guys, either.’ “

Dispensing Experimental Wisdom

Dr. Karen Munkacy, president and CEO of Garden Remedies, said her staff generally recommends that someone with nausea use a vape pen, to get a quick effect from the cannabis, and then, if they need something longer-lasting, take an edible.

“Inhalation medical marijuana works within a few minutes, and so, now their nausea and vomiting is under control,” she said. “If they want to get a good night’s sleep they’re going to need to get something that they ingest because it’s going to last longer. They won’t wake up vomiting in the middle of the night.”

Munkacy started her company after her own bout with chemo-induced nausea. She was treated for breast cancer a decade ago in New Jersey, where medical marijuana was illegal.

“It was months of feeling a thousand times worse than any flu I’ve ever had,” said Munkacy, who at the time was an anesthesiologist with a 2-year-old son. “Before [medical cannabis] became legal, people would have to choose between breaking the law and suffering terribly.”

Convinced that medical marijuana could help other people avoid her misery, Munkacy worked to help get legalized medical marijuana on the ballot in Massachusetts in 2012, and said she is now committed to educating patients who come to her dispensary.

“Our goal is that when patients leave, they’ve learned everything they need to know,” she said.

Cannabis is generally very safe, Tishler said, as long as patients buy their medical marijuana from a dispensary, because state requirements ensure a safe, consistent product. There is no lethal dose, and the worst side effect for most of his patients, he said, is an unwanted feeling of getting high when they’ve taken too much.

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Norton Arbelaez, director of government affairs for NETA, which also has a dispensary in Northampton, said that safety profile means patients can afford to be a little imprecise about what kind of marijuana they use and how much they get.

“There is some room here for the patient themselves to experiment and see what’s right for them,” he said.

In the end, that’s what Murphy did. She experimented. She tried a few joints and smoked a few times with a pipe.

She had already spent $700 paying Dr. Tishler, getting her $50 state license and buying the cannabis, so she didn’t want to invest more in the vaporizer Dr. Tishler recommended.

But even just those few weeks of occasional smoking made a big difference, Murphy said.

“It made me feel like I had an appetite for the first time in probably six months,” she said. “Instead of lying around thinking about how sick I felt all the time — which was not my personality, which was very upsetting to my whole family — I was up and cooking, which was not anything I had done since I hadn’t felt well.”

Murphy, who is now cancer-free, hasn’t smoked since her treatments ended in the summer of 2016. She still wishes patients didn’t have to work so hard to get the information they need about medical marijuana.

Younger Patients and Cannabis

The situation for children and teens with cancer is a little different than for adults, according to Prasanna Ananth, a pediatric oncologist at Yale Cancer Center. Ananth published a study in early December showing that an overwhelming majority of pediatric oncologists, nurses and other health care professionals in Massachusetts, Illinois and Washington state were willing to consider medical marijuana for children with cancer — particularly for those with advanced illness.

There are decades of research showing the potential dangers of marijuana for children and teenagers, but almost none into its possible benefits for young cancer patients, she said.

“Our calculus shifts when we’re talking about children facing serious, life-threatening illness,” Ananth said. “Health care providers must weigh their desire to provide compassionate care for their patients against limited scientific evidence to support use of medical marijuana by children.”

In her survey, nearly 1 in 3 pediatric oncology experts said they had been asked about medical marijuana by at least one patient.

Ananth said she would prefer to talk with her patients about their marijuana use than not know that they’re using it.

“Especially for the purpose of knowing what my patients are on and what the medical marijuana might interact with, it is important for us to maintain open lines of communication,” she said.

With Legal Pot Shops, Medical Use May See Boost

It’s not clear how Massachusetts’ medical marijuana system will change later this year when recreational marijuana sales are set to begin. Patients will pay 20 percent less than recreational users because they won’t have to pay taxes on their cannabis.

But Munkacy said she believes many more people will start using cannabis for their medical problems once recreational use becomes legal.

They may not have wanted to give their name to the state for a license, but the reduced restrictions and added legitimacy of legal marijuana will give them the push they need to start using it, Munkacy explained.

“I’m thinking there’s going to be a lot of people who will no longer have to buy their medicine on the black market.”

The first version of this story appeared on WBUR’s CommonHealth. Karen Weintraub spent 20 years in newsrooms before becoming a freelance writer in January 2010. She contributes to CommonHealth.

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What Happens When CHIP Funds Run Out

One of the central issues of the shutdown battle is the Children’s Health Insurance Program. NPR’s Michel Martin talks with Alabama CHIP Director Cathy Caldwell about the program, which covers 9 million low-income kids across the U.S.

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We’d like to turn now to one of the main issues caught in the middle of the spending battle in Congress – the Children’s Health Insurance Program, also known as CHIP. This program helps state insure about 9 million children whose parents can’t afford health insurance but make too much to qualify for Medicaid. At the moment, the program is operating on a temporary funding extension that’s expected to dry up in March, but several states say they could run out of funding before then. One of those states is Alabama.

And joining us now is Cathy Caldwell. She is the director of Alabama’s CHIP program. She’s speaking to us from Prattville, Ala. Cathy Caldwell, thank you so much for speaking with us.

CATHY CALDWELL: Oh, thank you for having me.

MARTIN: So for people who aren’t familiar with the program, could you just describe briefly, you know, what it does – amplify what I said earlier?

CALDWELL: Sure. The Children’s Health Insurance Program provides health insurance to uninsured children whose family income is above the Medicaid level. Currently, in Alabama, we have over 85,000 children insured in that program.

MARTIN: And how exactly does it work? Does it work like any other insurance program – people can go to the doctor that they want, go to the hospital if they need to?

CALDWELL: Absolutely. We have a comprehensive benefit package that provides a wide array of benefits for many services, including WellCare so children can get their preventive visits. They can get their immunizations. Also, (unintelligible) care certainly can go to the doctor when they’re sick. We cover inpatient. We also cover mental health services, vision and dental – so a very comprehensive benefit package.

MARTIN: One of my colleagues spoke with you in December. And you said then that your state could exhaust CHIP funds in February. If those funds run out, what happens if a kid whose family has CHIP gets sick and has to go to the doctor or to the hospital? What happens?

CALDWELL: And we did receive some additional funding. But we’re still worried that it’s going to run out before too long. What will happen when we exhaust our funding – we will dis-enroll children from the program. Many of those children will become uninsured. So for many, they will probably not be able to access all of the services they need.

If they’re sick, for example, and go to the doctor, they’ll be expected to pay for it out of their own pocket. In an emergency situation, it’s a – you know go to the emergency department or even an inpatient stay – the family will be expected to pay for those services which will be quite expensive. So it’ll create a hardship on the family. And like I said, there will be situations, likely, where the children won’t be able to obtain the services they need.

MARTIN: I’m sure you know now that we’re in a bit of a standoff here and that both the Republicans and Democrats in Washington are accusing each other of holding, you know, the country hostage to this or that program. Many of the Democrats are saying that the Republicans are using this as a bargaining chip to, you know, force them to vote for something – other things that they don’t agree with. I’d like to ask, how is this all striking you where you are?

CALDWELL: I would like to say that there is huge urgency. I think some people look at the numbers and think that if we still have a few weeks of funding, then there’s no urgency. That is absolutely not the case. These are large programs with many children enrolled. And so if in fact funding does not continue, then we have to shut down our programs. It is going to take time and many resources to accomplish that. So we need Congress to act and extend funding. And we really need to get that down this month.

MARTIN: That’s Cathy Caldwell. She is the director of Alabama’s CHIP program. We reached her in Prattville, Ala. Cathy Caldwell, thank you so much for speaking with us. We really appreciate it.

CALDWELL: Oh, you’re very welcome. Thanks for having me.

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Missouri Faces Costly Dilemma: How To Treat Inmates With Hepatitis C?

Jymie Jimerson collects Willie Nelson memorabilia in her home in remembrance of her late husband, Steve, who was a fan.

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In a corner of Jymie Jimerson’s house in the town of Sparta, in southwest Missouri, she has set up a kind of shrine. It has Native American art representing her Cherokee heritage alongside Willie Nelson albums, books and photos in remembrance of her late husband.

There’s a copy of Willie’s mid-’70s LP Red Headed Stranger. “When Steve was young, he had red hair and a red beard, so he always really identified with Willie’s Red Headed Stranger,” Jimerson says. “I try to keep it up there as a reminder of better days.”

Her husband, Steve Jimerson, was sentenced to life in prison in 1996 for his role in the shooting deaths of two men. Jymie says her husband’s life had been ravaged by drug abuse. But after he entered prison, he got off drugs and become a mentor for other inmates.

“Once he got inside, recovery became his life,” Jymie says. “And that was his passion until the day he died.”

Steve died on Jan. 6, 2017, of complications from hepatitis C, a liver infection that’s especially widespread among prison inmates. He was 59.

While the disease is common among the incarcerated, treatment with the latest hepatitis drugs isn’t.

Civil liberties groups in Missouri and at least seven other states are now suing to get more inmates treated with new-generation hepatitis C drugs that are highly effective but also very costly.

After Steve Jimerson was diagnosed with hepatitis C while in prison, Jymie says he was on the lookout for news of treatment advances.

In 2013, Gilead Sciences introduced Sovaldi, the first of a new generation of drugs called direct-acting antivirals that can cure hepatitis C and with fewer side effects than the previous treatments. But the excitement was dampened by the drug’s price. A full course of treatment cost $84,000.

In 2016, around 5,000 inmates in Missouri’s inmates had hepatitis C, and no more than 14 of them received the drugs, according to internal state data obtained by the MacArthur Justice Center in St. Louis.That’s about 15 percent of the 32,000 people incarcerated in Missouri’s prisons.

Jymie says that her husband wasn’t given direct-acting antivirals. By the fall of 2016, Jimerson’s health was deteriorating rapidly, and he grew pessimistic about the prospects for a cure.

“He told me that if someone had to die to get the DOC [Department of Corrections] to change their policy, he was OK with it being him,” Jymie says.

As recently as 2012, scores of Missouri inmates were being treated with older hepatitis C drugs, including one called interferon that is notorious for its debilitating side effects.

But in 2013, the Federal Bureau of Prisons started changing treatment guidelines to replace the old hepatitis C drugs with new ones.

Many states follow those guidelines, including Missouri, according to a spokesperson from Corizon Health, the private company that provides health care for Missouri’s inmates.

But the updated guidelines gave prisons more leeway to decide when it’s appropriate to provide treatment. And asMissouri phased out the old drugs, it hasn’t used the new drugs nearly as often. That has left only a handful of inmates getting any hepatitis C drug treatment at all.

In December of 2016, the American Civil Liberties Union and MacArthur Justice Center sued to get the Missouri Department of Corrections to provide direct-acting antiviral drugs to inmates with hepatitis C who qualify for treatment.

ACLU lawyer Tony Rothert says the state’s current treatment practices violate the Constitution’s Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause.

“The Supreme Court has said that in the context of medical care, that means that prisons cannot be deliberately indifferent to serious medical needs,” Rothert says. “Hepatitis C fairly easily satisfies this test, because if left untreated, there’s a fair chance that you will die.”

Advocates making this argument got a big boost for their case in November, 2017, when a federal judge in Florida ordered that state’s prisons to start providing direct-acting drugs to its inmates at least until that state’s case goes to trial in August.

“It was a great victory for people who are incarcerated and have hepatitis C because now we have a federal judge who said, ‘Look, this is just unconscionable,’ and the state is going to have to do something about it,” says Elizabeth Paukstis, public policy director of the National Viral Hepatitis Roundtable.

In July, 2017, the Missouri lawsuit took a leap forward when the judge overseeing the case certified it as a class action on behalf of state inmates with hepatitis C. The Missouri Department of Corrections and Corizon, which are defendants in the lawsuit, have appealed that ruling.

Both the Missouri Department of Corrections and Corizon declined to comment on the suit or answer questions about their hepatitis C treatment protocols beyond saying they are following federal guidelines.

But if Missouri and other states are required to offer the new drugs, they would face a huge problem, says Gregg Gonsalves, an assistant professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health. “Even if they wanted to treat patients, they would break the bank. They would run out of money to treat every other medical condition,” he says.

For example, if Missouri gave the 2,500 inmates that the ACLU says are candidates for Harvoni, the acting antiviral drug it now uses, the cost would exceed $236 million, based on its list price. That far exceeds the Department of Corrections’ entire budget for inmate health.

Gonsalves says the emergence of newer, cheaper drugs could help, and some state prison systems have managed to negotiate discounts.

Even at a lower cost, though, providing these drugs on a large scale could still cost states a fortune. But advocates insist it’s worth it to stop the disease from spreading.And a 2015 study showed that as many as 12,000 lives would be saved if inmates across the country were screened and treated; preventing liver transplants and liver disease would save money in the long run.

“The impetus for treating infectious disease in the prison system is that it’s a population you can reach, it’s a population you can cure, and it’s a population you can help prevent onward infections from,” Gonsalves says.

Jymie Jimerson understands that many people might be skeptical about providing expensive health care for prison inmates. But she hopes they can see them as more than people convicted of crimes.

“I’m not condoning what they did. I’m not condoning criminals,” she says. “What I’m saying is, they’re human beings. And there are hundreds, hundreds of first-time offenders that this medication would cure them. So that when they went home, they could actually spend time and enjoy a little bit of life with their families.”

This story is part of a reporting partnership with NPR, KCUR and Kaiser Health News. You can find Smith on Twitter: @AlexSmithKCUR.

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Roger Severino Discusses The HHS Division Of Conscience And Religious Freedom

NPR’s Kelly McEvers speaks with Roger Severino about the new Department of Health and Human Services Division of Conscience and Religious Freedom, which is intended to protect people from discrimination if they refuse to participate in health services, against their beliefs.

KELLY MCEVERS, HOST:

Now we’re going to follow-up with someone we just heard, Roger Severino. He’s the director of the civil rights office at the Department of Health and Human Services, and his office is charged with investigating complaints made by health care workers under this new initiative. Welcome to the program.

ROGER SEVERINO: Thank you for having me.

MCEVERS: Just explain why the Trump administration has taken this step.

SEVERINO: Well, it comes down to the president’s May 4, 2017, executive order, which was a turning point. He said that we’re going to vigorously enforce federal law protecting religious freedom. He said, we’re a nation of tolerance, and we’ll not allow people of faith to be targeted, bullied or silenced anymore. And this is just a natural outgrowth of that. We have a lot of statutes and laws on the books that protect conscience. They protect religious freedom. They have not been enforced as they deserve to be enforced, and this is a crucial civil right that is now getting the attention that has been long overdue.

MCEVERS: When you talk about tolerance, I have to ask this question. I mean, could this move mean that a woman who wants a procedure like an abortion or someone who is transgender would be denied health care?

SEVERINO: Well, the first thing to think about is that these laws are anti-discrimination laws. They ban discrimination against persons who exercise their conscience in the health care field. It actually enhances diversity to have people from all walks of life with different views on controversial questions able to practice medicine. And these laws…

MCEVERS: But I think my question is about – yeah, I think my question’s about the consequences of that move though, right? The consequences of that move is that someone could be denied a health care procedure that they might want.

SEVERINO: Well, it depends what you’re talking about. I think denial is a very strong word. What these (unintelligible) say is that the government itself cannot discriminate in its federal funding against providers who simply want to serve the people they serve according to their religious beliefs. If you do – or think about the opposite. If you were to ban people from practicing medicine, you’d have religious hospitals excluded from the public square because they want to follow their faith in helping the poor, the sick and the elderly and retain the religious identity without violating their conscience in doing so.

And America has reached a point where people understand that you should not be forcing others to perform abortions against their will. After Roe v. Wade, regardless of what people think about the legality of abortion, most people think that you shouldn’t be forcing other people to perform abortions, pay for them, cover, refer for them, and that’s enshrined in our laws. And that’s what this is about.

This is about enforcing the laws that have been ignored for too long, that have been passed by Congress year after year with bipartisan support. And multiple presidents have signed these laws. And that’s what this is all about – going back to protecting are fundamental principles of conscience and religious freedom.

MCEVERS: Will the civil rights division give equal weight to patients who feel like they have experienced discrimination as a result?

SEVERINO: Absolutely. There is no contradiction between respecting conscience and protecting against discrimination against people of faith and conscience and respecting all of the other civil rights. They’re all civil rights. This is a package of civil rights. They come together. It’s about freedom for everybody. And my office enforces civil rights laws regarding sex, discrimination, age, disability, race, national origin and the whole spectrum. And they will be fully enforced.

MCEVERS: I guess one person’s conscience – right? – can be somebody else’s feeling of being singled out, being considered as part of a group that’s not going to get something that they feel like they deserve. That’s the balancing act here, no?

SEVERINO: Well, I think people understand intuitively with the First Amendment. If somebody takes an unpopular view, the government should not come in and say, you cannot speak because we do not like your views – same thing in the health care space. The government should not be saying, you cannot have a job; you cannot be a nurse because of your views on abortion. This is about tolerance on all sides.

MCEVERS: Roger Severino is director of the civil rights office at the Department of Health and Human Services. Thank you for your time.

SEVERINO: You’re very welcome

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Home Care Agencies Often Wrongly Deny Medicare Help To The Chronically Ill

Colin Campbell, shown last month in his home near Los Angeles, was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig’s disease — ALS — eight years ago. He gets Medicare because of his disability, but was incorrectly told by several agencies that he couldn’t use it for home care. Instead, he pays $4,000 a month for those services.

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Colin Campbell needs help dressing, bathing and moving between his bed and his wheelchair. He has a feeding tube because his partially paralyzed tongue makes swallowing “almost impossible,” he says.

Campbell, 58, spends $4,000 a month on home health care services so he can continue to live in his home just outside Los Angeles. Eight years ago, he was diagnosed with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or Lou Gehrig’s disease, which relentlessly attacks the nerve cells in his brain and spinal cord and has no cure.

Because of his disability, he has Medicare coverage, but he can’t use it for home care — as the former computer systems manager has been told by 14 home health care providers.

That’s an incorrect but common belief. Medicare does cover home care services for patients who qualify but, according to advocates for seniors and the home care industry, incentives intended to combat fraud and reward high quality care are driving some home health agencies to avoid taking on long-term patients, such as Campbell, who have debilitating conditions that won’t get better. Rule changes that took effect this month could make the problem worse.

“We feel Medicare coverage laws are not being enforced and people are not getting the care that they need in order to stay in their homes,” says Kathleen Holt, an attorney and associate director of the Center for Medicare Advocacy, a nonprofit, nonpartisan law firm. The group is considering legal action against the government.

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Federal law requires Medicare to pay indefinitely for home care — with no copayments or deductibles — if a doctor ordered it and patients can leave home only with great difficulty. They must need intermittent nursing, physical therapy or other skilled care that only a trained professional can provide. They do not need to show improvement.

Those who qualify can also receive an aide’s help with dressing, bathing and other daily activities. The combined services are limited to 35 hours a week.

Medicare affirmed this policy in 2013 when it settled a key lawsuit brought by the Center for Medicare Advocacy and Vermont Legal Aid. In that case, the government agreed that Medicare covers skilled nursing and therapy services — including those delivered at home — to maintain a patient’s abilities or to prevent or slow decline. It also agreed to inform providers, those who audit bills, and others that a patient’s improvement is not a condition for coverage.

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Campbell says some home health care agencies told him Medicare would pay only for rehabilitation, “with the idea of getting you better and then leaving,” he says. They told him that Medicare would not pay them if he didn’t improve, he says. Other agencies told him Medicare simply did not cover home health care.

Medicaid, the federal-state program for low-income adults and families, also covers home health care and other home services, but Campbell doesn’t qualify for Medicaid.

Securing Medicare coverage for home health services requires persistence, says John Gillespie, whose mother has gone through five home care agencies since she was diagnosed with ALS in 2014. He successfully appealed Medicare’s decision denying coverage, and afterward Medicare paid for his mother’s visiting nurse as well as speech and physical therapy.

“You have to have a good doctor and people who will help fight for you to get the right company,” says Gillespie, of Orlando, Fla. “Do not take no for an answer.”

Yet a Medicare official did not acknowledge any access problems. “A patient can continue to receive Medicare home health services as long as he/she remains eligible for the benefit,” says spokesman Johnathan Monroe.

A leading industry group contends that Medicare’s home health care policies are often misconstrued. “One of the myths in Medicare is that chronically ill individuals are not qualified for coverage,” says William Dombi, president of the National Association for Home Care and Hospice, which represents nearly half of the nation’s 12,000 home care providers.

Part of the problem is that some agencies fear they won’t be paid if they take on patients who need their services for a long time, Dombi says. Such cases can attract the attention of Medicare auditors who can deny payments if they believe the patient is not eligible, or they suspect billing fraud. Rather than risk not getting paid, some home health agencies “stay under the radar” by taking on fewer Medicare patients who need long-term care, Dombi says.

And those companies may have a good reason to be concerned. Medicare officials have found that about a third of the agency’s payments to home health firms in the fiscal year ending last September were improper.

Shortages of home health aides in some areas might also lead an overburdened agency to focus on those who need care for only a short time, Dombi says.

Another factor that may have a negative effect on chronically ill patients is Medicare’s Home Health Compare ratings website. It includes grades on patient improvement, such as whether a client got better at walking with an agency’s help. That effectively tells agencies who want top ratings “to go to patients who are susceptible to improvement,” Dombi says.

This year, some home care agencies will earn more than just ratings. Under a Medicare pilot program, home health firms in nine states will start receiving payment bonuses for providing good care and those who don’t will pay penalties. Some criteria used to measure performance depend on patient improvement, Holt says.

Another new rule, which took effect last Saturday, prohibits agencies from discontinuing services for Medicare and Medicaid patients without a doctor’s order. But that, too, could backfire.

“This is good,” Holt says. “But our concern is that some agencies might hesitate to take patients if they don’t think they can easily discharge them.”

This article was written with the support of a journalism fellowship from New America Media, the Gerontological Society of America and the Silver Century Foundation. Kaiser Health News (KHN) is a nonprofit news service. It’s an editorially independent program of the Kaiser Family Foundation, and not affiliated with Kaiser Permanente. You can find Susan Jaffe on Twitter @susanjaffe.

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White House Doctor Says Trump Is In 'Excellent' Physical, Cognitive Health

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President Trump is in excellent health with “no indication” of “any cognitive issues” — but he could afford to lose a few pounds and start exercising over the coming year, according to the president’s physician.

Dr. Ronny Jackson, a Navy rear admiral who directs the White House medical unit, conducted Trump’s annual physical last Friday. He told reporters on Tuesday that the president’s cardiac health is strong and that there are no concerns about any memory or cognitive issues.

“I found no evidence that the president has any issues whatsoever with his thought process,” Jackson told reporters during Tuesday’s White House briefing.

The tabloid-style book Fire and Fury by journalist Michael Wolff, published this month, led to speculation about Trump’s mental fitness for office. Trump responded to the criticism by calling himself a “very stable genius.”

Jackson said on Tuesday that Trump asked him to perform the cognitive exam, which the doctor had not planned to do, having deemed it unnecessary. Jackson said Trump performed “exceedingly well” and is “very sharp.”

Jackson said the president enjoyed good health despite a subpar diet and no exercise routine.

“It’s called genetics,” Jackson said. “Some people just have great genes. I told the president if he had a healthier diet over the last 20 years he might live to be 200.”

Jackson also noted that Trump has abstained from alcohol and tobacco for his entire life, which contributed to his relatively good health.

Trump, 71, is 6 feet 3 inches tall and weighs 239 pounds, Jackson said, which is classified as overweight and is 1 pound away from being obese, according to the NIH’s body mass index calculator.

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Jackson said he will work with Trump to exercise more over the coming year, to eat better and lose between 10 and 15 pounds.

Trump does take Crestor to lower his cholesterol, daily aspirin for heart health, Propecia for male pattern baldness, a skin cream for rosacea and a daily multivitamin. His blood tests and other vitals were all normal.

Jackson said that there is no reason Trump wouldn’t be able to complete his first term healthwise, in addition to a second term if re-elected.

During the presidential campaign, Trump’s longtime personal physician, Harold Bornstein, famously declared that Trump would be “the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency.” Trump released his health history in 2016 on controversial TV host Dr. Mehmet Oz’s show.

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For Now, Sequencing Cancer Tumors Holds More Promise Than Proof

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People diagnosed with cancer understandably reach for the very best that medical science has to offer. That motivation is increasingly driving people to ask to have the DNA of their tumors sequenced. And while that’s useful for some malignancies, the hype of precision medicine for cancer is getting far ahead of the facts.

It’s easy to understand why that’s the case. When you hear stories about the use of DNA sequencing to create individualized cancer treatment, chances are they are uplifting stories. Like that of Ben Stern.

In the spring of 2016, Stern was diagnosed with a deadly brain cancer, glioblastoma. His doctors at the Sidney Kimmel Comprehensive Cancer Center at Johns Hopkins promptly treated him with surgery, then over the months, chemotherapy and radiation. He even got on a clinical trial to see if a leading edge drug called a checkpoint inhibitor would work.

Ben Stern found out abruptly that wasn’t doing the trick either, when he was struck with a seizure. “My whole right side clenched up and [my wife] Tara had called 911 in the middle of it.”

The tumor had grown back, so surgeons went in again to remove what they could. Tara said the next month’s appointment showed the surgery hadn’t worked, either.

“The tumor had already grown back and it was already bigger than the original size tumor that we had found the previous May,” Tara Stern says. This staggering regrowth took only five weeks.

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Stern’s doctor got a sample of the tumor and sent a genetic analysis of it to what Hopkins calls its “molecular tumor board.” It’s a small group of doctors who meet Mondays to review these genetic tests. They found an overactive gene in his tumor that’s only rarely associated with brain cancer. But that mutation in other cancers sometimes responds to a particular drug. So Ben went on it as part of his ongoing treatment.

“He started his next round of chemotherapy that Monday but he didn’t seem to get weaker,” Tara says, “He was getting stronger almost every day. It was almost miraculous.”

Ben says the drug even reversed his deteriorating mental state brought on by the brain tumor. At the next monthly appointment, following a brain scan, Ben and Tara got more good news.

“The tumor was immeasurable on that next MRI,” Tara says. “It wasn’t there, to put it bluntly.”

Ben’s eyes well up as he hears his wife telling the story. “I was basically as I am now, which is in tears.”

Eight months later, Ben was thinking ahead about his future, rather than wondering whether his life is ending.

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“We have to use this result with caution because we don’t know how long this effect might wear on, but for the time being this is a clinically very meaningful benefit,” says his doctor at Hopkins, medical oncologist Matthias Holdhoff.

And while it’s a good-news story for the field of precision medicine, it is also not the way most of these stories end.

“We’re getting better, but like many things in life, there’s hope and hype. And that’s also the reality with precision medicine right now,” says Ben Park, an oncology professor at the Sidney Kimmel Comprehensive Cancer Center at Hopkins. After noticing how much confusing genetic information was flooding doctors at Hopkins, he founded the molecular tumor board there.

“The reason I started this tumor board [in 2013]… was simply because there was a patient, a young woman who had metastatic breast cancer who had a mutation on one of these reports and decided to forego standard-of-care therapies, which have been proven to actually prolong life in this setting,” Park says. Instead, the woman enrolled in a clinical trial that didn’t really make sense for her particular type of cancer and “she almost died. She had really bad toxicity from the experimental drug.”

She was drawn, Park says, by the allure of precision medicine. Patients and doctors alike are clamoring for these tests. But interpreting the results isn’t easy because different companies offer these tests and interpret the DNA signatures differently, “and that can make a huge difference,” Park says.

“That’s where we’re having difficulty right now as a field,” he says, harmonizing test results that often disagree with each other.

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At Hopkins, the genomic tests usually don’t offer any suggestion for treatment. Only about one quarter of patients at Hopkins are steered toward particular drugs or toward ongoing clinical trials. Other top medical centers find they can identify potential treatments only about 10 percent of the time.

So far there’s only been one randomized study of this approach to precision cancer care — and it did not show a survival advantage for people who went through all this genetic testing.

“If you have this knowledge, it’s not enough,” Park says. “You have to prove that acting on that knowledge — some medical intervention — will actually afford benefit for patients. That’s the trickiest, toughest part about looking at all these types of genomic tests, to really prove that this is making a difference in the lives of our patients.”

Park has since passed on leadership of the molecular tumor board to his colleague, oncologist Josh Lauring. Lauring says there are a few cancers where DNA analysis does make a clear difference, say in melanoma and certain types of lung cancer.

Tara keeps detailed notes of Ben’s progress and also keeps track of his treatment schedule on a daily basis.

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“In other cancers, it’s really kind of an open question. At the same time, this testing is available commercially as well as at academic medical centers, and is being done. Patients want it, providers want it.”

So what’s happening, in effect, is a huge, unorganized experiment, involving real patients, treated differently in all sorts of settings. Lauring and colleagues at Hopkins are trying to keep track of all their patients: what treatment they got, how long it was successful, and how long the patients lived.

“We think it’s really important to capture that information as well, to try to learn from it,” Lauring says, “because in many cases it’s not going to be effective, but in some it is, and it’s important for us to figure that out.”

Therapies that target specific genetic patterns are appealing because medical scientists have some sense of the biology underlying their drugs — they aren’t just killing fast-growing cells, as conventional chemotherapy does.

“Unfortunately in many cases these responses, if they occur, are relatively brief.”

That unfortunately turned out to be the case for Ben Stern as well. Five months after his remarkable response, Ben started feeling weaker again. An MRI suggested the cancer might be on the move. So he went back to the hospital for another round of chemotherapy and radiation.

They’re hoping for the best.

Contact Richard Harris at rharris@npr.org.

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The Call-In: The Nursing Industry

Depending on where you live, nurses can be in short supply. NPR’s Lulu Garcia-Navarro talks to Peter Buerhaus, a nursing professor at Montana State University, about the changing nursing industry.

LULU GARCIA-NAVARRO, HOST:

Now it’s time for the Call-In. Last week, we put nurses on call. Depending on where you live, nurses can be in short supply with potentially big consequences for patient care. What does it mean for the nursing industry, and how is the job changing? Well, we heard from a lot of you.

Here’s Ed Stern of Falls Church, Va., Gina DeMarco of Colorado Springs, Jennifer Steele of Milwaukee, and Christopher Todd of Big Pine Key, Fla.

ED STERN: I think nursing has changed. It’s evolved. It’s not just fluffing pillows and passing medications.

GINA DEMARCO: It’s physically demanding. It’s stressful. The hours are long. There’s days it’s rewarding, but I would say I second guess what I’m doing.

JENNIFER STEELE: This has been the most challenging and rewarding work. Nursing is not what I do; it is who I am.

CHRISTOPHER TODD: There’s always been a nursing shortage. And it’s only going to get worse because the average age of a nurse is getting up there.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Twenty years ago, the nursing industry was in danger of a serious shortage, but that’s changed more recently.

PETER BUERHAUS: The good news is we have had a surge of people coming into nursing over the past 10 years such that we believe we’ll be able to avoid a large massive shortage of registered nurses that would cause access to care difficulties and delay care.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Peter Buerhaus is a professor of nursing and a healthcare economist at Montana State University. He says around the country, though, there could be regional shortages in the near future.

BUERHAUS: I get a little bit worried around both coasts. New England, particularly, there’s a large number of nurses who are going to be retiring in the New England region but not as many new replacement nurses coming in. The West Coast could also be a troublespot. We just don’t see the growth there as we do in the middle part of the country. So I’m a little bit worried about future shortages developing there.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: I’d like to focus on nurse practitioners because we’re hearing a lot more about them. Explain what they are and why they’re becoming a more important part of the workforce.

BUERHAUS: Nurse practitioners are nurses who have gone back to graduate school for advanced education. They choose a specialty. It could be primary care, or it could be caring for individuals in the emergency room or in acute-care settings. And what’s happening is that when we are looking at projections of physician shortages, we’re seeing that nurse practitioners can fill many of those medical roles that are opening up.

So NPs are growing very rapidly. They also are more likely to be working in rural areas of the country where we have some of the biggest shortages of primary care physicians. So there’s a lot of good reasons to be backing that sort of initiative in the nursing workforce. It’s helping out quite importantly.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: So you’ve mentioned this expanding world of opportunity for nurses. But might it also not be the case – and we heard this from some of our callers that they feel overworked, overstretched – that they’re being asked to do much more than they might have been previously? And that has been a burden.

BUERHAUS: Yeah. What we’ve seen, I think, over the past 10 years, is a significant push to improve quality and safety in our hospitals particularly. Oftentimes, though, this means that a nurse will come to work complying with so many regulations, so many check-off forms to note that they did a particular procedure in accordance with the qualifications that are important. Hospitals are under pressure to document that because this is how they’re going to get paid. So it it shifts down on to nurses, and it’s taking them away from the essence of establishing a relationship with a patient.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: And is there another issue, as well? We’re seeing, as you mentioned, younger nurses coming into the workforce, but they don’t have the institutional knowledge. They don’t have the experience, quite frankly. Is that a problem when you see senior-level nurses retiring?

BUERHAUS: It’s a great question, and it does concern me. It’s not that these nurses are not qualified or unprepared. But what concerns me about this, Lulu, is at the same time we have younger people coming in to replace the exiting baby-boom RNs, we’re going to have a surge of older people qualifying for Medicare. Many of them will be hospitalized. And they’re coming in to institutions with multiple chronic conditions – heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes. They’re complicated patients. A lot is going on. And they’re coming in just as the newer, less experienced nurses are coming in to take care of them.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: That was Peter Buerhaus, a nursing professor at Montana State University.

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ASHLEE DOVER: Hey, Monica.

MONICA COFFEY: Hi, Ashlee.

DOVER: I am a nurse for about two years. So I’m a baby.

COFFEY: Well, congratulations.

DOVER: Thank you.

COFFEY: I’m Monica. And I’ve been a nurse for 41 years, which is probably older than you are (laughter).

GARCIA-NAVARRO: We brought two nurses together to share their experiences in nursing. Ashlee Dover is 24. Monica Coffey is 65. She remembers having a strong mentor when she got started decades ago.

COFFEY: I had a head nurse, Alice McGee (ph). Her office was on the floor. If things got busy, she came and helped pass meds. She gave lunches. And not only did she help me become a better nurse, she helped me to become a better human being. Now I think young nurses are not supported when they are starting out. They come into nursing with far less clinical background than I did as a new grad.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Ashlee, does that sound right?

DOVER: Yes. That is absolutely correct. Most of the time, it’s just me, a bunch of other new nurses and maybe one or two senior nurses if I’m lucky enough that week to work with them. When you have 6 patients each – all of us – there’s really no time to really say, hey, how are you doing mentally, emotionally? What’s nursing like for you right now? It’s more of – do you need help passing meds, or cleaning up this patient? Can I help you like this?

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Ashlee, do you have any advice that you’d like to ask Monica?

DOVER: How did you mentally and emotionally make it through as a young nurse and, like, keep yourself emotionally, mentally put together for your patients and your family?

COFFEY: Well, I had other interests – an avid reader, hiker. But the thing about nursing is that, every day, I always felt like I was getting to do good work. I feel like the ethics of nursing sustain me. And even when it’s hard, even when it’s discouraging, I always feel like I’m getting to do the best I can do as a human being.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Does that resonate, Ashlee?

DOVER: That completely resonates because I didn’t go into nursing to try to save lives or anything like that. I went to – I went into nursing to provide care, a shoulder, a listening ear to people in their times where they felt like nobody was listening or they didn’t know what was going on. And that’s my motivating factor is to be there for them. And sometimes it’s hard. You know, you’ve got six patients to take care of, and three of them require head-to-toe, like, complete care. And you just wonder, like, I don’t want to hurt them. I want to be there for them.

COFFEY: Yeah.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: So listening to this, it’s obviously really stressful and also very rewarding. And I just want you both to briefly talk to the patients right now. What do you want them to know?

COFFEY: You go first, Ashlee.

DOVER: OK. I am so privileged to be a part of your care. And I am so absolutely thankful that you let me into your life during these darkest moments. And I want you to know even if I’m late or if I haven’t checked on you in over an hour or two hours, I have not forgotten about you. Your care and everything about you means so much to me. And I promise to give you the best care possible.

COFFEY: That’s a beautiful sentiment and well stated. I would speak to the patients in this country and say, please, get informed about the issues surrounding health care. Think about improving and maintaining access to health care for all Americans.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: That was Ashlee Dover of Nashville, Tenn., and Monica Coffey of Ellsworth, Maine.

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GARCIA-NAVARRO: And next week on the Call-In – it’s been a year since the women’s march movement brought huge numbers of demonstrators to the streets across the country. Did you participate last year or did you skip it? What have you done since then? Call in at 202-216-9217. Be sure to include your full name, where you’re from and your phone number. And we may use it on the air. That’s 202-216-9217.

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Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin On Requiring Medicaid Recipients To Work

Kentucky is the first state to require Medicaid recipients to work or get job training in order to qualify for aid. NPR’s Scott Simon talks to Gov. Matt Bevin about the new requirements.

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Kentucky’s poised to become the first state to require its residents to work, volunteer or prepare for jobs in order to receive Medicaid benefits. This is after the Trump administration announced it would allow states to begin imposing such rules. The changes will be phased in throughout the coming year. We’re joined now by the governor of Kentucky, Governor Matt Bevin, from his office.

Governor, thanks so much for being with us.

MATT BEVIN: Grateful for the opportunity, Scott.

SIMON: And why is this issue important to you?

BEVIN: This matters to me for a couple of reasons. One thing I want to clarify is that this requirement is for those that Medicaid was not originally designed for. Why is it important to me? I’m a person who grew up with no access to this type of health care. I grew up well below the poverty level, never had the access to the health care system until I was an active duty Army officer in my 20s. So it’s a very personal thing. And I recognize that people in those positions don’t need, as Administrator Verma said, to be treated with the soft bigotry of low expectations. She’s exactly right.

SIMON: Have you considered the effect of requiring people to work in areas that, right now, have a high unemployment rate?

BEVIN: Go through any community anywhere, I promise you will see at least one sign where people want an able-bodied person who is not on drugs and will show up on time to apply for and do a job. There are plenty of jobs in America. There are 100,000-plus available in Kentucky right now. And this will start to connect people who want a job and need a job with the jobs that exist.

SIMON: Governor, as I’m sure I don’t have to tell you, Kentucky has one of the highest rates of death from opioid overdoses in the country. What would you do with people who are struggling with addiction and do need help from Medicaid and other services but are probably in no position to work?

BEVIN: Here’s the wonderful thing. These folks will be identified through this requirement. If, in fact, they’re already receiving benefits, they’re going to an office somewhere to get something, they won’t have to go to anywhere new. They will now be given an opportunity to get treatment. We will continue to invest like this state has never invested in helping people with recovery.

SIMON: And what about those who just, in good faith, can’t meet the requirements? Do they get no care, no coverage?

BEVIN: Think about this. The requirements are for people who are able to meet the requirements. For those who cannot because of a mental disability or a physical disability, it does not apply to them.

SIMON: But will some people lose their coverage? Is that is that the bottom line?

BEVIN: Time will tell. I would hope that they do for all the right reasons. If a person gets a job and is now covered through their employer, then they don’t need it anymore. And those that we project that will no longer be needing it will not be needing it because they will actually be making enough money. They don’t qualify, or they will have coverage through their employers.

SIMON: Is that being hopeful? I mean, in – I don’t have to tell you, Governor, that you can make a pronouncement. But three or four months from now, news organizations might be doing stories about people who couldn’t find jobs and have lost their coverage and have nowhere to turn.

BEVIN: It is hopeful thinking, you bet it is. But I’ll tell you what, as Ralph Waldo Emerson once noted, nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm. Enthusiasm springs from hope. And why should we wallow in misery in the belief that we don’t have an alternative other than the failure that we already have? You bet it’s hopeful. And the greatness of the human condition is that it’s always been improved by exactly that.

SIMON: The governor of Kentucky, Matt Bevin – thanks very much for being with us.

BEVIN: Thank you, sir.

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New Rules May Make Getting And Staying On Medicaid More Difficult

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Kentucky got the green light from the federal government Friday to require people who get Medicaid to work. It’s a big change from the Obama administration, which rejected overtures from states that wanted to add a work requirement.

Medicaid’s chief federal officer is Seema Verma; her home state of Indiana submitted plans for a work requirement last year, and the approval letter could come any day now. Under the proposal, people would have to average 20 hours a week of work or another qualifying activity — such as volunteering or getting an education — to get Medicaid.

The goal is to increase employment among Medicaid recipients. But Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health law and policy at George Washington University, says there’s a problem with that — most people on Medicaid are already working, or looking for work. Or they’re caring for a child or family member, or they’re sick or disabled.

Many of those people would be exempt from a work requirement, and states could also make some allowances for people battling addiction. When you consider all those exemptions, says Rosenbaum, “There is this very, very tiny slice of [of the population] who can work and simply choose not to work and apply for public assistance.”

And even if states create programs that help people find jobs, and provide things like childcare and transportation, Rosenbaum says, there’s no evidence that they would lead to more employment. And those programs are expensive.

“If you do a work program, it costs real money,” she says, “and the federal government has said, ‘we won’t pay any of those costs.’ “

What’s more likely, Rosenbaum says, is that states will basically say, ‘Get a job on your own, or get off Medicaid.’ “

And what that does, she says, is create a hurdle for everybody on Medicaid. People who are working are going to have to prove they are employed, so even people with jobs could stand to lose their insurance because of red tape. In fact, the state of Indiana’s own projections show that with a work requirement, Medicaid will cover fewer people and cost more.

Adam Mueller is an attorney at Indiana Legal Services, which helps people navigate that state’s Medicaid program. He says people already lose coverage because the program can be confusing, and there are administrative errors.

“Somewhere along the way, paperwork gets lost; there’s a miscommunication,” he says, “Folks have sometimes had difficulty proving something as easy as residency.”

And people on Medicaid often deal with crises – they may move a lot, or change phone numbers, which makes it hard to keep track of paperwork. Adding a work requirement on top of all that, Mueller says, would make staying enrolled even harder.

“There are a lot of things that can trip folks up, and that could lead to falling through the cracks,” he says.

Judith Solomon, of the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, points out that expanded Medicaid helps some employers, too.

“We have an economic structure where there are people whose employment doesn’t provide health care,” she says.

If employees lose Medicaid, get sick and can’t make it to work, she says that’s bad for business.

Verma told reporters during a conference call Thursday that the requirement is supposed to help people.

“People moving off of Medicaid is a good outcome,” she said, “because we hope that that means they do not need the program anymore, that they have transitioned to a job that provides health insurance or that they can afford insurance on their own. This policy helps people achieve the American dream.”

But advocates say the main purpose of Medicaid is to provide health insurance, not increase employment. And until now, the federal government agreed.

Susan Jo Thomas heads Covering Kids and Families of Indiana, which advocates for health coverage in the state. Under Medicaid’s new management, she says, the philosophy surrounding work requirements has changed.

“I don’t know if it jibes with my view of Medicaid, but my view of Medicaid now is irrelevant,” she says. “It’s what Seema Verma and the administration and the folks who are at CMS decide.”

Thomas says she is taking more of a wait and see approach — the details of the work requirement have yet to be ironed out. She says if too many people lose insurance, she’ll be raising concerns with the state.

This story is part of NPR’s reporting partnership with Side Effects Public Media, WFYI and Kaiser Health News.

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