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Democrats Debate Health Care Policy

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders entered the 2020 presidential race this week as Democratic candidates engaged in their first big policy fight — centered around health care.



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The entry of Bernie Sanders into the presidential race highlights a Democratic policy debate – one that Sanders himself framed four years ago. NPR’s Danielle Kurtzleben reports.

DANIELLE KURTZLEBEN, BYLINE: Democratic primary voters are hearing echoes from 2015.

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BERNIE SANDERS: In my view, we must move forward toward a “Medicare-for-all,” single-payer program.

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KURTZLEBEN: Not just because Bernie Sanders is back, but because one of his signature policies never left. Since he first ran for president, “Medicare-for-all” has become a mainstream Democratic proposal. Now presidential candidates are trying to figure out how to position themselves around it. New Jersey Senator Cory Booker has stressed that he thinks private insurers should still have a role.

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CORY BOOKER: Even countries that have vast access to publicly offered health care still have private health care.

KURTZLEBEN: Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar says “Medicare-for-all” is a possibility in the long term. But for now, she wants to let people buy into Medicaid.

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AMY KLOBUCHAR: So what we need is to expand coverage so that people can have a choice for a public option. And that’s a start, all right?

KURTZLEBEN: Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown, who’s still debating a run, also wants a sort of public option but only for people above age 50.

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SHERROD BROWN: I think “Medicare-for-all” will take a while, and it’s difficult.

KURTZLEBEN: Long story short, in a huge Democratic presidential field, health care is the first issue where candidates are really differentiating themselves. But they also face a problem. Getting into the details can turn voters off.

LARRY LEVITT: Health reform is always more popular as a bumper sticker than as a piece of legislation.

KURTZLEBEN: Larry Levitt is senior vice president for health reform at the Kaiser Family Foundation. This bumper sticker idea applies to any big health care overhaul, he says, whether it’s Obamacare or repealing Obamacare or, now, “Medicare-for-all.”

LEVITT: There’s a huge political benefit for candidates to be in favor of the idea of “Medicare-for-all” in a primary. But the more the details get filled in, the less popular that idea will be.

KURTZLEBEN: For example, polling shows that nearly 7 in 10 Americans like “Medicare-for-all” if they hear it will eliminate premiums and out-of-pocket costs. But that support drops to around 4 in 10 if people hear it will mean higher taxes. Both of those things could be true of a hypothetical “Medicare-for-all” system. But trying to sell the good with the bad on the campaign trail, especially this early, is tough, which is why staying broad might be a smart move, says Nadeam Elshami, former chief of staff to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

NADEAM ELSHAMI: It’s OK for a candidate to say, look, this is generally what I believe in; but I’m willing to hear first, and then get into specifics later after I have a deeper discussion of this issue.

KURTZLEBEN: But even this early, President Trump has used the debate over “Medicare-for-all” to paint Democrats as extreme. Republican strategist Michael Steel advised Jeb Bush’s presidential campaign.

MICHAEL STEEL: It’s a surprising development that 10 years after the passage of the Affordable Care Act and after a massive political backlash against it and a huge effort to defend it, Democrats are immediately swerving so hard to an even greater government role for health care.

KURTZLEBEN: For now, the debate is around health care. But a similar sort of calculation will likely underpin many more Democratic policy debates ahead of 2020, weighing sweeping, progressive ideas that the president could try to label as socialist against incremental policies that might not excite liberal voters. And deciding which choice is most likely to get a Democrat into office. Danielle Kurtzleben, NPR News, Washington.

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CVS Looks To Make Its Drugstores A Destination For Health Care

CVS plans to transform some of its stores into “health hubs,” retail locations revamped to include more health care services and products. One of the first is in Spring, Texas, a suburb of Houston.

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When it comes to making changes in health care, CVS Health isn’t settling for tinkering around the edges. The company is looking to strike at the heart of how health care is delivered in the U.S.

In November, the drugstore chain completed a $70 billion acquisition of health insurance giant Aetna that CVS has said will change the company and in the process alter the way consumers experience health care.

“We’re trying to transform the industry,” says Dr. Alan Lotvin, executive vice president for transformation for the company. The health care industry, he says, is now organized for the convenience of doctors, hospitals and other providers of care. “I think there’s an opportunity to organize around the consumer,” Lotvin says.

With almost 10,000 retail stores across the country, CVS says it is already where consumers are. Now, with the addition of Aetna, CVS also provides health coverage for 22 million people.

CVS plans to transform some of its stores and their existing retail clinics into hubs that will offer more health care services and products. The company put its first test locations in areas with lots of Aetna patients, in hopes of directing patients away from expensive emergency rooms to the stores’ less pricey MinuteClinics.

The company says this retail approach will make it easier and cheaper for people — particularly those with chronic illnesses like diabetes, heart disease or asthma — to manage their conditions.

But the company faces challenges in making the combination of an insurance company and drugstore chain work. In a statement about quarterly financial results released Wednesday, CVS CEO Larry Merlo said, “2019 will be a year of transition as we integrate Aetna and focus on key pillars of our growth strategy.”

Some of CVS’s lines of business have suffered lately, including its business supplying medicines to long-term-care facilities. CVS shares fell 8 percent Wednesday after the company posted a $2.2 billion loss for the fourth quarter and lowered its profit outlook for 2019. The pressure is on CVS to get the Aetna addition to pay off quickly.

CVS Health began talking about the idea of health care hubs in late 2017 when it launched its bid to buy Aetna. At the time, Merlo asked NPR’s Steve Inskeep to “imagine a world where [a] patient can walk into a CVS pharmac[y], they can engage with a nutritionist about their diet. They can talk to a nurse practitioner, perhaps have their blood glucose level checked, talk to their pharmacist about medication.”

But there were few details about how the company would pull it off, until now. CVS has opened three test locations in Texas, including one in the Houston suburb of Spring.

At first glance, it’s not all that different from any other CVS. There are aisles packed with candy and Band-Aids, fridges full of soda and in the back a bustling pharmacy counter.

Rosita Rodriguez uses the expanded MinuteClinic at a local CVS store to help her manage her arthritis pain and diabetes.

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But over to the side there are sliding doors with the word “WELLNESS” in giant letters, and behind them a dozen seniors are taking a free yoga class.

Rosita Rodriguez, 68, is one of them. “I did yoga,” she says. “And it was such a joy.”

She says she found out about the yoga class when she came into the store to find some painkillers for her arthritis that wouldn’t nauseate her. The store’s “care concierge,” Jesse Gonzalez, helped her choose a medication and told her about the yoga class and about how she could get her diabetes checked as well.

“Whenever I need something, I see Jesse here,” she says. “I talk to him and, you know, he’s there for me.”

Rodriguez says the store is easier to get to than her doctor’s office, which is about 20 miles away in central Houston.

The MinuteClinic here is a major department. In addition to the care concierge, there are three exam rooms, a dietitian, a respiratory therapist and a lab where people can have blood drawn.

On a recent afternoon, a patient who came to see the nurse practitioner was rushed to a nearby hospital.

“They weren’t feeling well and they were actually about to have a significant heart event,” says Kevin Hourican, president of CVS Pharmacy, who oversees the company’s entire retail operation. “So they were sent to the emergency room.”

That incident, he says, shows why it’s good to have retail clinics all over the country. About 1,000 CVS locations currently have a small version of the MinuteClinic, he says, and 85 percent of Americans live within about 4 miles of a CVS store. The need for ER care for this patient also shows the limits of what a retail clinic can do.

CVS’s health hubs, like this one in Spring, Texas, offer a wider array of health products and equipment than the company’s typical drugstore.

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To help people manage their chronic diseases, CVS will expand its services to include eye and foot exams for patients with diabetes and airflow monitoring for people with asthma.

“I see a number of upsides for patients,” says Dora Hughes, a physician and associate professor of health policy at George Washington University.

“Managing a chronic disease, I mean, that is hard work,” Hughes says. “To have CVS and their broad community footprint available, to have providers that you can see at nights and on the weekends, to be able to get your bloodwork done when you want — I mean, that could be hugely beneficial for patients.”

But Hughes says the company will do the most good only if it locates “health hubs” where there is the greatest need — where people with chronic diseases like diabetes don’t have easy access to doctors.

The company chose the locations for its first three test stores where there are a large number of patients covered by Aetna, including its commercial, Medicare and Medicaid businesses, and a lot of people with diabetes.

Another question, Hughes says, is whether CVS can communicate well with patients’ primary care doctors. Some research shows that people with a regular primary care doctor have better health in general, and some shows that people with diabetes get higher quality care from a regular primary care physician than when receiving episodic care from other doctors or nurse practitioners.

“I can see concerns that people might have that this might make that connection with the primary care home lower, says Kosali Simon, a health economist at Indiana University in Bloomington. “I now might say, ‘Maybe I don’t need to have a primary care physician that’s connected to a hospital.’ “

In fact, a survey by J.D. Power showed that 45 percent of people said they would consider getting their primary medical care at a CVS clinic. Older people were more hesitant to try a MinuteClinic, the survey shows. Only 36 percent of people 65 and over said they would go to CVS for primary care.

But Simon says, and the survey confirms, that the added convenience is likely to draw people in.

After buying Aetna, CVS expects these new clinics will help keep some Aetna patients out of the hospital and allow the insurance side of the company to avoid the high costs of hospital care.

At the same time, the expanded stores will make money treating patients at the MinuteClinic and selling an array of health care products. The store in Spring, in addition to the usual CVS products, has an aisle stocked with wheelchairs, walkers and CPAP machines that help people with sleep apnea. There are yoga equipment, snacks appropriate for people with diabetes and electronic activity monitors.

CVS says the health care services will be available to patients with any kind of insurance.

The company won’t say how many stores it plans to convert to health hubs. CVS’s Hourican says the company first wants to see how it goes in three Texas trial locations.

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Insurers Hand Out Cash and Gifts To Sway Brokers Who Sell Employer Health Plans

For employers, choosing a health care plan for staff can be tricky and they often rely on independent insurance brokers. But these brokers are rewarded for making big sales for insurance companies.

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The pitches to the health insurance brokers are tantalizing.

“Set sail for Bermuda,” says insurance giant Cigna, offering top-selling brokers five days at one of the island’s luxury resorts.

Health Net of California’s pitch is not subtle: A smiling woman in a business suit rides a giant $100 bill like it’s a surfboard. “Sell more, enroll more, get paid more!” In some cases, its ad says, a broker can “power up” the bonus to $150,000 per employer group.

Not to be outdone, New York’s EmblemHealth promises top-selling brokers “the chance of a lifetime”: going to bat against the retired legendary New York Yankees pitcher Mariano Rivera. In another offer, the company, which bills itself as the state’s largest nonprofit plan, focuses on cash: “The more subscribers you enroll … the bigger the payout.” Bonuses, it says, top out at $100,000 per group, and “there’s no limit to the number of bonuses you can earn.”

Such incentives sound like typical business tactics, until you understand who ends up paying for them: the employers who sign up with the insurers — and, of course, their employees.

Human resources directors often rely on independent health insurance brokers to guide them through the thicket of costly and confusing benefit options offered by insurance companies. But what many don’t fully realize is how the health insurance industry steers the process through lucrative financial incentives and commissions. Those enticements, critics say, don’t reward brokers for finding their clients the most cost-effective options.

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Here’s how it typically works: Insurers pay brokers a commission for the employers they sign up. That fee is usually a healthy 3 to 6 percent of the total premium. That could be about $50,000 a year on the premiums of a company with 100 people, payable for as long as the plan is in place. That’s $50,000 a year for a single client. And as the client pays more in premiums, the broker’s commission increases.

Commissions can be even higher, up to 40 or 50 percent of the premium, on supplemental plans that employers can buy to cover employees’ dental costs, cancer care or long-term hospitalization.

Those commissions come from the insurers. But the cost is built into the premiums the employer and employees pay for the benefit plan.

Now, layer on top of that the additional bonuses that brokers can earn from some insurers. The offers, some marked “confidential,” are easy to find on the websites of insurance companies and broker agencies. But many brokers say the bonuses are not disclosed to employers unless they ask. These bonuses, too, are indirectly included in the overall cost of health plans.

These industry payments can’t help but influence which plans brokers highlight for employers, says Eric Campbell, director of research at the University of Colorado Center for Bioethics and Humanities.

“It’s a classic conflict of interest,” Campbell says.

There’s “a large body of virtually irrefutable evidence,” Campbell says, that shows drug company payments to doctors influence the way they prescribe. “Denying this effect is like denying that gravity exists.” And there’s no reason, he says, to think brokers are any different.

A new arrangement

Critics say the setup is akin to a single real estate agent representing both the buyer and seller in a home sale. A buyer would not expect the seller’s agent to negotiate the lowest price or highlight all the clauses and fine print that add unnecessary costs.

“If you want to draw a straight conclusion: It has been in the best interest of a broker, from a financial point of view, to keep that premium moving up,” says Jeffrey Hogan, a regional manager in Connecticut for a national insurance brokerage and one of a band of outliers in the industry pushing for changes in the way brokers are paid.

As the average cost of employer-sponsored health insurance premiums has tripled in the past two decades, to almost $20,000 for a family of four, a small, but growing, contingent of brokers are questioning their role in the rise in costs. They’ve started negotiating flat fees paid directly by the employers. The fee may be a similar amount to the commission they could have earned, but because it doesn’t come from the insurer, Hogan says, it “eliminates the conflict of interest” and frees brokers to consider unorthodox plans tailored to individual employers’ needs. Any bonuses could also be paid directly by the employer.

Brokers provide a variety of services to employers. They present them with benefits options, enroll them in plans and help them with claims and payment issues. Insurance industry payments to brokers are not illegal and have been accepted as a cost of doing business for generations.

When brokers are paid directly by employers, the results can be mutually beneficial. In 2017, David Contorno, the broker for Palmer Johnson Power Systems, a heavy-equipment distribution company in Madison, Wis., saved the firm so much money while also improving coverage that Palmer Johnson took all 120 employees on an all-expenses paid trip to Vail, Colo., where they rode four-wheelers and went whitewater rafting. In 2018, the company saved money again and rewarded each employee with a health care “dividend” of about $700.

Contorno was not being altruistic. He earned a flat fee, plus a bonus based on how much the plan saved, with the total equal to roughly what he would have made otherwise.

Craig Parsons, who owns Palmer Johnson, says the new payment arrangement puts pressure on the broker to prevent overspending. His previous broker, he says, didn’t have any real incentive to help him reduce costs. “We didn’t have an advocate,” he says. “We didn’t have someone truly watching out for our best interests.” (The former broker acknowledged there were some issues but said it had provided a valuable service.)

Working for employers, not insurers

Contorno is part of a group called the Health Rosetta, which certifies brokers who agree to follow certain best practices related to health benefits, including eliminating any hidden agreements that raise the cost of employee benefits. To be certified, brokers (who refer to themselves as “benefits advisers”) must disclose all their direct and indirect sources of income — bonuses, commissions, consulting fees, for example — and who pays them to the employers they advise.

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Dave Chase, a Washington businessman, created Rosetta in 2016 after working with tech health startups and launching Microsoft’s services to the health industry. He says he saw an opportunity to transform the health care industry by changing the way employers buy benefits. He says brokers have the most underestimated role in the health care system.

“The good ones are worth their weight in gold,” Chase says. “But most of the benefit brokers are pitching themselves as buyer’s agents, but they are paid like a seller’s agent.”

There are only 110 Rosetta-certified brokers in an industry of more than 100,000, although others who follow a similar philosophy consider themselves part of the movement.

From the employer’s point of view, one big advantage of working with brokers like those certified by Rosetta is transparency. Currently, there’s no industry standard for how brokers must disclose their payments from insurance companies, so many employers may have no idea how much brokers are making from their business, says Marcy Buckner, vice president of government affairs for the National Association of Health Underwriters, the trade group for health benefits brokers. And thus, she says, employers have no clear sense of the conflicts of interest that may color their broker’s advice to them.

Buckner’s group encourages brokers to bill employers for their commissions directly to eliminate any conflict of interest, but, she says, it’s challenging to shift the culture. Nevertheless, Buckner says she doesn’t think payments from insurers undermine the work done by brokers, who must act in their clients’ best interests or risk losing them. “They want to have these clients for a really long term,” Buckner says.

Industrywide, transparency is not the standard. ProPublica sent a list of questions to 10 of the largest broker agencies, some worth $1 billion or more, including Marsh & McLennan, Aon and Willis Towers Watson, asking whether they took bonuses and commissions from insurance companies and whether they disclosed them to their clients. Four firms declined to answer; the others never responded despite repeated requests.

Insurers also don’t seem to have a problem with the payments. In 2017, Health Care Service Corporation, which oversees Blue Cross Blue Shield plans serving 15 million members in five states, disclosed in its corporate filings that it spent $816 million on broker bonuses and commissions, about 3 percent of its revenue that year. A company spokeswoman acknowledged in an email that employers are actually the ones who pay those fees; the money is just passed through the insurer. “We do not believe there is a conflict of interest,” she says.

In one email to a broker reviewed by ProPublica, Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina called the bonuses it offered — up to $110,000 for bringing in a group of more than 1,000 — the “cherry on top.” The company told ProPublica that such bonuses are standard and that it always encourages brokers to “match their clients with the best product for them.”

Cathryn Donaldson, spokeswoman for the trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans, wrote in an email that brokers are incentivized “above all else” to serve their clients. “Guiding employees to a plan that offers quality, affordable care will help establish their business and reputation in the industry,” she wrote.

Some insurer’s pitches, however, clearly reward brokers’ devotion to them, not necessarily their clients. “To thank you for your loyalty to Humana, we want to extend our thanks with a bonus,” says one brochure pitched to brokers online. Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey offered brokers a bonus as “a way to express our appreciation for your support.” Empire Blue Cross in New York told brokers that it would deliver new bonuses “for bringing in large group business … and for keeping it with us.”

Delta Dental of California’s pitches appears to go one step further, rewarding brokers as “key members of our Small Business Program team.”

ProPublica reached out to all the insurers named in this story, and many didn’t respond. Cigna said in a statement that it offers affordable, high-quality benefit plans and doesn’t see a problem with providing incentives to brokers. Delta Dental emphasized in an email that it follows applicable laws and regulations. And Horizon Blue Cross said it gives employers the option of how to pay brokers and discloses all compensation.

The effect of such financial incentives is troubling, says Michael Thompson, president of the National Alliance of Healthcare Purchaser Coalitions, which represents groups of employers who provide benefits. He says brokers don’t typically undermine their clients in a blatant way, but their own financial interests can create a “cozy relationship” that may make them wary of “stirring the pot.”

Employers should know how their brokers are paid, but health care is complex, so they are often not even aware of what they should ask, Thompson says. Employers rely on brokers to be a “trusted adviser,” he says. “Sometimes that trust is warranted and sometimes it’s not.”

Bad faith tactics

When officials in Morris County, N.J., sought a new broker to manage the county’s benefits, they specified that applicants could not take insurance company payouts related to their business. Instead, the county would pay the broker directly to ensure an unbiased search for the best benefits. The county hired Frenkel Benefits, a New York City broker, in February 2015.

Now, the county is suing the firm in Superior Court of New Jersey, accusing it of double-dipping. In addition to the fees from the county, the broker is accused of collecting a $235,000 commission in 2016 from the insurance giant Cigna. The broker got an additional $19,206 the next year, the lawsuit claims. To get the commission, one of the agency’s brokers allegedly certified, falsely, that the county would be told about the payment, the suit says. The county says it was never notified and never approved the commission.

The suit also alleges the broker “purposefully concealed” the costs of switching the county’s health coverage to Cigna, which included administrative fees of $800,000.

In an interview, John Bowens, the county’s attorney, says the county had tried to guard against the broker being swayed by a large commission from an insurer. The brokers at Frenkel did not respond to requests for comment. The firm has not filed a response to the claims in the lawsuit. Steven Weisman, one of attorneys representing Frenkel, declined to comment.

Sometimes employers don’t find out that their broker didn’t get them the best deal until they switch to another broker.

Josh Butler, a broker in Amarillo, Texas, who is also certified by Rosetta, recently took on a company of about 200 employees that had been signed up for a plan that had high out-of-pocket costs. The previous broker had enrolled the company in a supplemental plan that paid workers $1,000 if they were admitted to the hospital to help pay for uncovered costs. But Butler says the premiums for this coverage cost about $100,000 a year, and only nine employees had used it. That would make it much cheaper to pay for the benefit without insurance.

Butler suspects the previous broker encouraged the hospital benefits because they came with a sizable commission. He sells the same type of policies for the same insurer, so he knows the plan came with a 40 percent commission in the first year. That means about $40,000 of the employer’s premium went into the broker’s pocket.

Butler and other brokers say the insurance companies offer huge commissions to promote lucrative supplemental plans like dental, vision and disability. The total commissions on a supplemental cancer plan that one insurer offered came to 57 percent, Butler says.

These massive year-one commissions lead some unscrupulous brokers to “churn” their supplemental benefits, Butler says, persuading employers to jump among insurers every year for the same type of benefits. The insurers don’t mind, Butler says, because the employers end up paying the tab. Brokers may also “product dump,” Butler says, which means pushing employers to sign employees up for multiple types of voluntary supplemental coverage, which brings them a hefty commission on each product.

Carl Schuessler, a broker in Atlanta who is certified by the Rosetta group, says he likes to help employers find out how much profit insurers are making on their premiums. Some states require insurers to provide the information, so when he took over the account for the Gasparilla Inn, an island resort on the Gulf Coast of Florida, he obtained the report for the company’s recent three years of coverage with UnitedHealthcare. He learned that the insurer had only paid out in claims about 65 percent of what the Inn had paid in premiums.

But in those same years, the insurer had increased the inn’s premiums, says Glenn Price, its chief financial officer. “It’s tough to swallow” increases to our premium when the insurer is making healthy profits, Price says. UnitedHealthcare declined to comment.

Schuessler, who is paid by the inn, helped it transition to a self-funded plan, meaning the company bears the cost of the health care bills. Price says the inn went from spending about $1 million a year to about $700,000, with lower costs and better benefits for employees, and no increases in three years.

A need for regulation

Despite the important function of brokers as middlemen, there has been scant examination of their role in the marketplace.

Don Reiman, head of a Boise, Idaho, broker agency and a financial planner, says the federal government should require health benefit brokers to adhere to the same regulation he sees in the finance arena. The Employee Retirement Income Security Act, better known as ERISA, requires retirement plan advisers to disclose to employers all compensation that’s related to their plans, exposing potential conflicts.

The Department of Labor requires certain employers that provide health benefits to file documents every year about their plans, including payments to brokers. The department posts the information on its website.

But the data is notoriously messy. After a 2012 report found 23 percent of the forms contained errors, there was a proposal to revamp the data collection in 2016. It is unclear whether that work was done, but ProPublica tried to analyze the data and found it incomplete or inaccurate. The data shortcomings mean employers have no real ability to compare payments to brokers.

Making it right

About five years ago, Contorno, one of the leaders in the Rosetta movement, was blithely happy with the status quo: He had his favored insurers and could usually find traditional plans that appeared to fit his clients’ needs.

Today, he regrets his role in driving up employers’ health costs. One of his LinkedIn posts compares the industry’s acceptance of control by insurance companies to Stockholm syndrome, the feelings of trust a hostage would have toward a captor.

Contorno began advising equipment distribution company Palmer Johnson in 2016. When he took over, the company had a self-funded plan and its claims were reviewed by an administrator owned by its broker, Iowa-based Cottingham & Butler. Contorno brought in an independent claims administrator who closely scrutinized the claims and provided detailed cost information. The switch led to significant savings, says Parsons, the company owner. “It opened our eyes to what a good claims review process can mean to us,” he says.

Brad Plummer, senior vice president for employee benefits for Cottingham & Butler, acknowledged “things didn’t go swimmingly” with the claims company. But overall, he says, his company provided valuable service to Palmer Johnson.

Contorno also provided resources to help Palmer Johnson employees find high-quality, low-cost providers, and the company waived any out-of-pocket expense as an incentive to get employees to see those medical providers. If a patient needed an out-of-network procedure, the price was negotiated up front to avoid massive surprise bills to the plan or the patient.

The company also contracted with a vendor for drug coverage that does not use the secret rebates and hidden pricing schemes that are common in the industry. Palmer Johnson’s yearly health care costs per employee dropped by more than 25 percent, from about $11,252 in 2015 to $8,288 in 2018. That’s lower than they had been in 2011, Contorno says.

“Now that my compensation is fully tied to meeting the clients’ goals, that is my sole objective,” he says. “Your broker works for whoever is cutting them the check.”


ProPublica data fellow Sophie Chou contributed to this story.

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How One Woman Is Working To Educate Parents On Vaccinations

Public health advocates have struggled to change the minds of these so called anti-vaxxers. But one South Carolina woman has a different approach: reaching parents before they even become parents.



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An outbreak of measles in Washington and Oregon has refocused attention on parents who choose not to vaccinate their kids, often known as anti-vaxxers. Public health advocates have struggled to change these parents’ minds. One South Carolina woman has a different approach. She is reaching out to people before they even become parents. Alex Olgin of member station WFAE has the story.

ALEX OLGIN, BYLINE: In 2017, Kim Nelson had just moved her family back to her hometown in South Carolina. Moving boxes were still scattered around. While her two young daughters played, Nelson scrolled through a newspaper article on her phone. It said religious exemptions for vaccines had jumped nearly 70 percent in recent years in their part of the state, around Greenville. She yelled to her husband in the other room.

KIM NELSON: David, you have to get in here. I can’t believe this because, you know, I just – all my mom friends had vaccinated. I’d never encountered somebody who didn’t.

OLGIN: Nelson had her immunizations, and so did her kids. But this news scared her. She didn’t want anyone in her hometown to get sick. Nelson decided she had to do something.

NELSON: I very much believe that if you have the ability to advocate, then you have to. The onus is on us if we want change.

OLGIN: Like a lot of moms, Nelson had spent hours online. And she knew how easy it was to fall down an Internet hole into the world of fake studies and scary stories.

NELSON: As somebody who just cannot stand wrong things being on the Internet, if I saw something with vaccines, I was very quick to chime in, that’s not true, or no, that’s not how that works. I usually got banned.

OLGIN: Nelson started her own group for South Carolina parents. She began posting scientific articles online, but then she thought it would be best to zero in on moms that were still on the fence about vaccines.

NELSON: It’s easier to pull a hesitant parent over than it is somebody who is firmly anti-vax. They feel validated by that choice. It’s part of their community. It’s part of their identity.

OLGIN: And the most important thing was timing – reaching moms during pregnancy when they’re actually going online to figure out how to keep their babies healthy. Nelson latched onto one study that showed 90 percent of expectant women have made up their minds on vaccines by the time they were six months pregnant. After that, it’s kind of too late.

NELSON: They’re not going to a pediatrician. Their OBGYN is probably not speaking to the pediatric vaccine schedule. So where are they going? They’re going online.

OLGIN: Before parents got bad information, Nelson would be there first with facts – online, but also in person. She rented out a room at the public library and advertised on mom forums. She was nervous that the anti-vaxxers might show up.

NELSON: Are they here to rip me a new one, or are they here to learn about vaccines? And I just decided if they’re here, I’m going to give them good information.

OLGIN: Amy Morris was pregnant, but she drove an hour and a half to attend the class. It wasn’t her first pregnancy. She already had three kids. But this time around, she was nervous about vaccines. In Nelson’s class, she learned the risks of not vaccinating.

AMY MORRIS: That spoke to me more than anything.

OLGIN: Now, holding her healthy 8-month-old son Thorin on her lap, she says she’s glad she went because she was feeling vulnerable.

MORRIS: I always knew it was the right thing to do. I was listening to that fear monster in the back of my head.

OLGIN: Nelson says that fear is what the anti-vaccine community feeds on. She’s learned to ask questions to help parents get at the root of their anxiety.

NELSON: I do think they appreciate it when you meet them sympathetically, and you don’t just try to blast facts down their throat.

OLGIN: Nelson is now trying to get local hospitals to integrate that vaccine talk into their birthing classes. And she’s studying for a master’s in public health and even considering a run for office. For NPR News, I’m Alex Olgin in Greenville, S.C.

SHAPIRO: And this story is part of a partnership between NPR, Kaiser Health News and WFAE.

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In Arkansas, Thousands Of People Have Lost Medicaid Coverage Over New Work Rule

Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson announces changes to the state Medicaid program called Arkansas Works, including the addition of a work requirement for certain beneficiaries, on March 6, 2017.

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Grisel Sustache Flores takes a seat at a health clinic in Springdale, Ark., for low-income patients. The 46-year old Puerto Rico native says she learned last fall that she qualified for Medicaid, which Arkansas expanded under the Affordable Care Act to cover more adults. It would cost her only $13 a month, so Flores, who suffers from multiple sclerosis, eagerly signed up.

“My doctors in Puerto Rico say my condition is very difficult,” Flores says through an interpreter at the Community Clinic facility. “Every day, it gets harder and harder.”

She holds out both hands. “Today my fingers are swollen and numb,” she says. “Some days it’s hard to stand for long periods.”

But in Arkansas, as in a handful of other states, Medicaid coverage now comes with some strings attached for certain beneficiaries. The Trump administration has allowed states to impose what’s known as a work requirement. In Arkansas, that means Flores has to work, volunteer or attend school at least 80 hours a month and periodically file progress reports to prove she’s doing so.

“Recently they have taken me out of enrollment because I was not reporting my hours of work,” she says.

Flores says losing her Medicaid health coverage was devastating because she needs medicines and physical therapy to control her disease. “I cried. I cried a lot,” she says.

Community Clinic serves 37,000 low-income patients in the northwest part of the state. Irvin Martinez, its health insurance enrollment specialist, says he’s witnessed a lot of turmoil among patients attempting to comply with the new Medicaid rules. In Arkansas, the program is called Arkansas Works.

Using his keyboard, Martinez opens the Arkansas Works web portal and clicks on some arrow icons. “I’ve actually seen, when I’ve logged into the website with them, that they are being locked out of their accounts if they enter the wrong data,” he says.

Patients who are locked out are instructed to call a hotline to help them complete their paperwork.

“But that has problems, too,” Martinez says. “I had one patient call and he was given the number to a prison, then to a private home. It took him three calls to the call center to get access to his account.”

Community Clinic serves 37,000 low-income patients in northwest Arkansas at 13 locations, such as this one in Springdale. A Community Clinic insurance enrollment specialist says he’s seen firsthand the difficulties people have had trying to comply with the state’s new Medicaid work rule.

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In August 2018, a month after the work reporting requirement took effect, the state Department of Human Services said there were 265,223 total enrollees in Arkansas Works, with more than 62,000 of them subject to the new rule. By December, more than 18,000 had been disenrolled from their Medicaid insurance because they didn’t meet the requirement.

In response, DHS says it has beefed up its call center and is doing outreach to locate beneficiaries who might have lost insurance — by phone, email and home visits. The department has also launched an awareness campaign with paid advertising on public transit systems across the state and in college newspapers reminding people they need to comply with the work rule.

The department does offer a “good cause exemption” for beneficiaries dealing with unexpected circumstances that make it hard to meet the work requirement. But Martinez says Arkansas Works private insurance carriers and local nonprofits have had to step up to help confused patients navigate enrollment and reporting.

“Before the Affordable Care Act, nearly half of our patients were uninsured,” says Kathy Grisham, CEO of Community Clinic. “Many resorted to local emergency rooms for free health care.”

More people got insured when Arkansas expanded Medicaid. But Grisham says this new work requirement poses a serious burden on patients — and the providers who serve them.

“People do freak out when they find they are cut off,” she says. “So we shift them to our uninsured population because we are obligated to take care of them.”

Robin Rudowitz, associate director for the Kaiser Family Foundation Program on Medicaid and the Uninsured, says a few other states have also been approved by the Trump administration to test expanded Medicaid work rules, but those experiments cost money.

“We know Kentucky had done some original estimates that were in the range of $375 million to implement their waiver over two years,” she says.

Arkansas has spent $7.5 million on startup costs, according to the Department of Human Services.

But Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who initiated Arkansas Works, says the program is a success. “We’ve already had more than 7,000 Arkansas Works participants who have moved into work,” he says.

People disenrolled from Arkansas Works failed to comply, according to the governor, who says the work rule instills responsibility among certain Medicaid recipients who need a push.

“We are simply saying if you are able-bodied and able to work, and you don’t have dependent children at home,” he says, “you ought to either be working or you ought to be in school or you ought to be volunteering or contributing.”

Hutchinson says Medicaid case closures are often the result of churn — people moving away, earning too much money to qualify or securing health insurance elsewhere.

“There’s not an increase in uncompensated care,” he says. “There is not a huge flock of those coming back and re-enrolling this year, so I think we are seeing that the system is removing people who have been ineligible for the service.”

But KFF’s Rudowitz held anonymous enrollee focus groups and says enrollees reported steep learning curves in following the rules.

“The rules are complicated and involve multiple steps to comply, and many who were trying to comply faced some problems such as creating these online accounts or navigating the monthly reporting. They had problems with passcodes or couldn’t get assistance or had difficulty accessing the Internet, couldn’t find a computer, or were uncomfortable using a computer.”

In Springdale, Flores was able to re-enroll in Medicaid with the help of Martinez at Community Clinic. She pulls out her new insurance paperwork from her briefcase.

“My new documents have arrived,” she says, “and I am learning how it works.”

But Flores says she is now seeking counseling to help her cope with the stress of complying with her new health insurance.

Legal Aid of Arkansas, acting on behalf of nine Arkansas Works patients, has filed a lawsuit against the federal government over the regulations. The suit argues that the requirements are too cumbersome and cause harm to recipients.

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Racial Disparities In Cancer Incidence And Survival Rates Are Narrowing

Dramatic decreases in deaths from lung cancer among African-Americans were particularly notable, according to the American Cancer Society.

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For decades, the rate of cancer incidence and deaths from the disease among African-Americans in the United States far outpaced that of whites. But the most recent analysis of national data by the American Cancer Society suggests that “cancer gap” is shrinking: In recent years, death rates from four major cancers have declined more among blacks than among whites.

The report was published online Thursday in CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Cancer Society.

African-Americans still bear a disproportionate share of the cancer burden in the U.S., having the highest death rate and the lowest survival rate of any racial or ethnic group for most cancers.

“In 2019, approximately 202,260 new cases of cancer and 73,030 cancer deaths are expected to occur among blacks in the United States,” the analysis by ACS investigators notes.

But their report also shows that the gap between blacks and whites has closed considerably over the past few decades when it comes to lung, prostate and colorectal cancers. In fact, during the period from 2006 to 2015, overall death rates from cancer declined 2.6 percent per year among black men, compared to 1.6 percent per year among white men. Among women, for that same time period, death rates from cancer declined 1.5 percent per year among blacks compared to 1.3 percent per year among whites.

“Twenty?five years of continuous declines in the cancer death rate among black individuals translates to more than 462,000 fewer cancer deaths,” according to the report’s authors.

The improvement among African-Americans is largely due to dramatic decreases in incidence and death from lung cancer, says Dr. J. Leonard Lichtenfeld, acting chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, and that likely reflects the steep declines in the prevalence of smoking.

“I can’t say why smoking has decreased so dramatically in the black community but the fact that it has is very good news,” he says. “It has significantly narrowed the gap between blacks and whites and we are very grateful.”

Still, racial disparities in cancer continue. The reasons are likely multiple, Lichtenfeld notes, and include disparities in education, socioeconomic status and access to health care.

When the U.S. ensures that everyone has equal access to good health care, screening and treatment, Lichtenfield says, “we’ll see even greater success. We have to make a commitment to make that happen.”

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Medical Anthropologist Explores 'Vaccine Hesitancy'

Hesitancy about vaccination in a community has a lot to do with acculturation to its norms.

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Distrust of vaccines may be almost as contagious as measles, according to medical anthropologist Elisa Sobo.

More than 100 people have been infected with measles this year, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Over 50 of those cases have occurred in southwest Washington state and northwest Oregon in an outbreak that led Washington Gov. Jay Inslee to declare a state of emergency on Jan. 25.

Some public health officials blame the surge of cases on low vaccination rates for this highly infectious disease.

Clark County, Wash. — the center of the current spate of cases — has an overall vaccination rate of 78 percent, but some schools in the county have rates lower than 40 percent.

Washington is one of 17 states that allows a parent to send his or her child to public school not completely vaccinated because of a “philosophical or personal objection to the immunization of the child.”

What makes some families reluctant to vaccinate their children? Sobo, a professor at San Diego State University, says it may be driven in part by the desire to conform in a community where many parents are skeptical of vaccines.

To better understand how parents decide not to vaccinate, Sobo interviewed families at a school with low vaccination rates in California. She found that skepticism of vaccines was “socially cultivated.”

Parents who believe that vaccines are dangerous persuaded other parents to believe the same thing by citing fears of “mainstream medicine” harming their children. Enrolling in the school even seemed to change the beliefs of some parents who had previously followed the state-mandated vaccine schedule: They started to refuse vaccines.

NPR’s Audie Cornish spoke with Sobo on All Things Considered. These interview highlights have been edited for clarity and length.

What are the common ideas that we have about families that don’t believe in vaccination?

One common idea would be that they’re all absolutely looney-tunes, crazy people wearing tinfoil hats and reading all these conspiracy theories on crazy blogs on the Internet. And that is absolutely not the case. What I found was that most of the people who are hesitating to vaccinate … They’re really smart people, and they’re highly, highly educated.

Back in 2012, you actually spoke to some parents in California, in a community where parents had their kids at a fairly progressive school. Half of kindergarteners had gotten exemptions from vaccines. What was going on in this community?

Often, the parents, the family didn’t arrive at the school having any hesitancy about vaccinations … As they acculturated or became part of the community, that’s when these kinds of beliefs and practices would take hold.

The longer the family had been in the community, … this practice of being hesitant about vaccinations evolved and it became part of that family’s medical practice.

[In areas where there are low vaccination rates], there tends to be a more open norm, where not vaccinating is accepted or sometimes even encouraged. When you have people surrounding you that move in that direction, to go in a different direction has social costs.

It’s not just the facts and the information that you’re going by. It’s: “What are the norms? What are people around me doing? And they seem to be OK, and everything’s working out for them.”

Think about yourself and the clothes that you wear to work. I’m guessing that you probably don’t have a formal dress code, but you kind of look around, and you see: “Oh, OK, this is what we’re expected to wear to work.” And you just do it.

Are you talking about a formal kind of peer pressure?

The peer pressure is not formal.

Informally, there becomes a sort of feeling in the community. It becomes known for not vaccinating.

There are parts of the country where there’s the opposite expectation, where someone who didn’t want to vaccinate their kids might be socially isolated for that decision.

And then their behaviors would be pushed underground. They might not feel comfortable telling other people.

When you see what’s going on in Washington State, what came to mind for you?

What is the media coverage going to do? Are they going to vilify these parents?

That witch hunt aspect is not helpful to have a good discussion about vaccination. It needs to be much more open and much less polarizing.

Are people ready to listen? Can there be convincing?

I think people are very ready to listen — if they’re heard. If you listen to them, and you allow them to say what they think without feeling judged, without pushing them into a corner, they’re absolutely ready.

Mara Gordon is a family physician in Washington, D.C., and a health and media fellow at NPR and Georgetown University School of Medicine.

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'Church Of Safe Injection' Offers Needles, Naloxone To Prevent Opioid Overdoses

A man who goes by the name Dave Carvagio holds a packaged syringe in Pickering Square in Bangor, Maine. The Bangor chapter of the Church of Safe Injection sets up a table in the square and offers free naloxone, needles and other drug-using supplies.

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On a bitter cold afternoon in front of the central bus stop in Bangor, Maine, about a half-dozen people recently surrounded a folding table covered with handmade signs offering free clean syringes, coffee and naloxone, the drug also known as Narcan that can reverse an opioid overdose.

They’re with a group called the Church of Safe Injection that is handing out clean drug-using supplies in cities around the U.S.

Even though they could be arrested for doing so, volunteers say they have to step up because of the staggering number of opioid overdose deaths and because the public health system has failed.

“There are all these barriers to people getting well — like insurance and treatment rules,” said one of the Bangor volunteers who goes by the name Dave Carvagio, though it’s not his real name. “It’s to the point where, for some people, the only treatment options are in institutions like prison.”

Carvagio doesn’t want to be identified because it’s illegal in Maine to have more than 10 hypodermic syringes unless you’re a certified needle exchange. Police cars sometimes circle the park, but no one has been arrested — yet.

“I believe that there is not just like a moral duty to violate unjust laws, but in this circumstance a spiritual duty,” Carvagio said. On this day, they gave out 100 syringes, 10 naloxone kits and made one referral to treatment.

Bangor police Sgt. Wade Betters knows about the group. He says he’d like to sit down and meet with the volunteers, but he believes their focus should be on getting people into treatment.

“You know, if you’re committing a crime in the state of Maine, you could be subject to arrest or ticketed,” Betters said. “But in these cases, we use a lot of discretion because the goal is the same — to save lives.”

In Lewiston, Maine, police have taken a different position. They’ve warned the group not to give out clean syringes in a local park because it’s against state law. So the group members have arranged to meet with people and bring the supplies to different meeting spots.

Driving through Lewiston one night, in a car packed full of boxes of syringes and other drug-using equipment, Kandice Child met up with two young men standing near a convenience store.

“I’m going to give you 100 [syringes],” Child told one of the men. “What about alcohol wipes, you need any of those?”

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Child gave them naloxone and test strips for the powerful opioid fentanyl. She says she only gives clean needles when someone returns their used ones so as to help keep syringes off the streets. Child says she does this because she has a family member who is struggling. She also says there are only six certified needle exchange programs in Maine, none in Lewiston.

“Why wait?” Child asked. “Should we all sit around and talk and point fingers or should we get off our a– and do something about it? This helps, it works, it saves lives, it reduces HIV, it reduces hepatitis, and it keeps syringes off the streets.”

Next stop was an apartment where three people were waiting to trade containers filled with used syringes for clean ones. Another volunteer demonstrated how to use naloxone as Child filled out paperwork keeping track of what she’s handed out.

A 36-year-old man — who didn’t want his name used because he’s using drugs — was uneasy. He says he’s glad to get the clean equipment but that he’s conflicted about whether getting these supplies makes it easier for him to use drugs.

“The only reason I struggle is the inner conflict, you know? It’s preventative maintenance yet at the same time it’s enabling, you know?” he said.

A woman in the apartment, who also didn’t want to be identified, chimed in: “I understand, but what are you supposed to do? If someone isn’t able or ready to go to treatment — should they die?”

Even the founder of the Church of Safe Injection, Jesse Harvey, 26, acknowledges that he’s struggled with the same questions. But he says working in addiction recovery has made him frustrated by the deaths and barriers to treatment. He says there are criteria to becoming a legitimate syringe exchange program that he’s not likely to meet, so he started this church.

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Harvey says there are now 18 chapters of the Church of Safe Injection in eight states — all of them funded by private, anonymous donations. Each one is independent but must abide by three rules: to welcome all people of all faiths, to serve all marginalized people and to support harm reduction.

But he says the group is not supporting legalizing drugs.

“We’re not saying it’s our religious belief to use heroin. No, not at all,” Harvey said. “We’re saying that it’s our sincerely held religious belief that people who use drugs don’t deserve to die when there are decades of solutions.”

Harvey plans to register the church as a nonprofit and then argue for a religious exemption from drug laws. He says the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled that a religious group is allowed to use the illegal psychedelic ayahuasca in its rituals.

“I don’t think it’s illegal, and if it is, I think we have a religious exemption here,” Harvey said. “With the high rate of fatal opioid poisoning in Maine, why criminalize a group of people with lived experience who are trying to save lives? If the state is not going to do something about this, well guess what? We’re going to.”

Harvey says eventually he hopes to have a location for the church that will include a site where people could inject drugs under supervision. Such supervised injection sites are legal in some other countries, but Justice Department officials have warned that they will prosecute anyone operating one in the U.S. Nevertheless, at least a dozen U.S. cities are considering whether to open a site.

For now, Harvey says his congregants will continue to risk arrest to hand out supplies.

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Doctor Weighs In On Supreme Court's Decision To Block Louisiana Abortion Law

NPR’s Michel Martin speaks with Dr. Willie Parker about the recent Supreme Court decision regarding abortion access in Louisiana.



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The U.S. Supreme Court voted 5-to-4 last week to temporarily block Louisiana from enforcing a law that would have required physicians providing abortion services to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of wherever the procedure was performed. Supporters of the law say it’s intended to safeguard the health of women. Opponents say it’s yet another attempt to make abortions difficult, if not impossible, for women to obtain.

We wanted to look both at the current science and state of medical practice when it comes to abortion, so we’ve called Dr. Willie Parker. He is a board-certified OB-GYN, the chair of the board of Physicians for Reproductive Health. And he also supervises abortion care for women in Alabama at a clinic that draws patients from some five states. Dr. Parker, thanks so much for talking with us.

WILLIE PARKER: Thanks for having me.

MARTIN: So, first, can I just get your thoughts about the Supreme Court decision?

PARKER: Well, while I celebrate the fact that women in Louisiana will still have access to care because of the action of the Supreme Court, it was a temporary fix. What really needs to happen is the Supreme Court needs to hear the merits of that case and weigh, definitively, because these laws – when they create barriers to women, they deny them access to very necessary care.

MARTIN: Planned Parenthood has repeatedly called requirements like this a popular tactic to restrict or eliminate access using technicalities, but the technicalities are really where the battle is being fought right now.

MARTIN: So, first of all, I want to ask you a basic question which many people may not know, which – what are admitting privileges?

PARKER: Well, admitting privileges are arrangements that hospitals have with individual physicians, saying that we will vet your credentials, and we will say that you can bring your patients here. So if I do outpatient care, like an abortion procedure, where complications are extremely rare, I would never admit enough patients to the hospital to keep those privileges. And so hospital admitting privileges are not an acknowledgement of the quality of a physician’s services. It’s merely a contractual arrangement with the hospital that certain physicians, who’ve been vetted by that hospital, can admit their patients there.

MARTIN: Let’s also talk about the issue that is very much under discussion in the conservative media right now, which is matters that are being debated in New York and Virginia – or, at least, were being because they’ve been taken off the table in Virginia – that would have made it easier for women to obtain an abortion later in pregnancy. As you know, certainly, critics are calling this opening the door to infanticide. Is it?

PARKER: The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan said that everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but nobody’s entitled to their own facts. And the facts are, Michel, where abortion remains legal in this country, those laws that were under consideration in Virginia and the ones that were passed in New York don’t open the door to any services that women don’t already have access to. For example, in New York, it made it clear that no one can have an abortion beyond 24 weeks unless the fetus is nonviable. And so all the laws did were just clarify what was already on the books.

In Virginia, they were taking away barriers that have delayed women from getting necessary care in later stages of pregnancy. So neither of these laws would ever create the misrepresentation that the president stated in the State of the Union, where a pregnancy can be terminated minutes or days before the due date.

MARTIN: Why does this issue remain such a difficult one for this society to come to an understanding about?

PARKER: The fact that we’ve politicized this very important health care and we’ve made it, also, into a moral issue – it means that people are wrestling with subjective understandings, like morality and politics, and projecting them onto totally objective needed care, like abortion care.

MARTIN: That is Dr. Willie Parker. He’s a board-certified OB-GYN. Dr. Parker, thanks so much for talking to us.

PARKER: Thanks for having me.

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An Overview Of State Abortion Laws

Scott Simon talks to Julie Rovner, chief Washington correspondent for Kaiser Health News, about new abortion laws in state legislatures across the country.



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This week, the U.S. Supreme Court blocked Louisiana from enforcing a restrictive abortion law. The court will likely hear a challenge to the merits of that law this fall. Many states are moving to pass a number of new abortion laws to prepare for the possible overturn of Roe v. Wade, that 1973 decision that legalized abortion in the United States. We’re going to turn now to Julie Rovner, chief Washington correspondent for Kaiser Health News. Jules (ph), thanks so much for being with us.

JULIE ROVNER: Thanks for having me.

SIMON: Chief Justice Roberts, of course, joined four liberal justices on the Supreme Court to temporarily block that abortion law from going into effect in Louisiana. What impact does that have in the state and other states?

ROVNER: Well, for the moment, that law will not be enforced while the case proceeds its way through the Supreme Court, which is now what we’re expecting. It was similar to a law in Texas that was actually struck down by the court in 2016 that required doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals. In 2016, the Supreme Court majority said that was not necessary. And then Louisiana passed this law anyway. It was sort of surprisingly upheld by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. And now the Supreme Court will have it as a possibility to either reverse or seriously undermine Roe v. Wade.

SIMON: Anti-abortion activists, of course, hope that Roe v. Wade will be overturned now that the balance of the Supreme Court may have shifted. A number of Republican-controlled legislatures are passing laws that would go into effect if that happens. What are those laws like?

ROVNER: Well, there are a whole number of different laws. There are what are called trigger laws. Those are laws that say if Roe v. Wade is struck down, then abortion would become illegal. There are other laws that states are passing that they are using to try and get the Supreme Court to either overturn Roe v. Wade or to undermine it. Those include not just the laws like the one in Louisiana, but there are bans on specific types of abortion procedures, particularly what’s called the D&E, which is the most common second trimester form of abortion.

There is an Indiana law that bans abortion for sex selection or in the case of fetal deformity. That one is near to getting a decision by the Supreme Court whether they will hear it. So there are a number of different ways that states are looking at trying to sort of make abortion either much more difficult to get or completely illegal.

SIMON: There are Democratic lawmakers in Virginia and New York state that have gotten attention for bills that would loosen abortion restrictions, especially in the third trimester. What else are some Democrats doing at the state level?

ROVNER: Well, mirroring what anti-abortion lawmakers are trying to do in more red states to make abortion illegal if Roe v. Wade was struck down, lawmakers in bluer states are trying to pass laws that would ensure that abortion remains legal. Remember; Roe v. Wade just said that states couldn’t ban abortion. So if it were struck down, it would be up to each individual state. So we’re seeing a number of states who are trying to either rewrite old laws or pass new laws that say if Roe v. Wade were to go away, abortion would remain legal in the state. There are other things that states are doing. In some of the blue states, they’re looking at ensuring that abortion is covered by insurance. That is not the case in some states; it is in others. They’re looking at making sure that women have easier access to other reproductive health services like birth control to make sure that abortions are not as necessary.

SIMON: The Trump administration is expected to soon announce its plan for funding family planning services. What do we expect from that?

ROVNER: We expect the administration to try and basically evict Planned Parenthood from the federal family planning program. This is a goal that goes back for anti-abortion activists to the 1980s. Planned Parenthood does not use federal funds for abortions. That is not allowed. But they do use their own private funds for abortions, and they also take federal money to provide family planning services. Basically, what these rules would do if they come out as we expect is they would say that if you are performing abortions, you must do it at a separate facility than one where you’re using federal funds to provide family planning services.

And also it would ban abortion referrals for women with unintended pregnancy. Currently, those are required if the woman seeks them, that counseling is also required, woman with an unintended pregnancy is to be given all of her options. And if she asks for an abortion referral, she is to be given one. That would basically be reversed under the new rules – at least as we expect them to come out.

SIMON: Julie Rovner is chief Washington correspondent for Kaiser Health News. Thanks so much for being with us.

ROVNER: You’re so welcome.

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