June 22, 2019

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Criticism Surrounds Facebook’s Proposed Jump Into Cryptocurrency

NPR’s Michel Martin speaks with media studies professor Lana Swartz about Facebook’s proposed currency, Libra.



MICHEL MARTIN, HOST:

We’re going to turn now to an announcement this week that you might have missed, given all the other international news. Facebook announced plans to create its own global currency. It’s called Libra, and Facebook says it will create a, quote, “more accessible, more connected global financial system,” unquote. But others – lawmakers, tech and financial experts, including Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes – have raised serious concerns about control and privacy. And we should mention here that Facebook is among NPR’s financial supporters.

To tell us more, we called on Lana Swartz. She is a professor at the University of Virginia, and she studies the intersection of money and technology. And we began our conversation by talking about what exactly Libra is.

LANA SWARTZ: So Libra is a currency that is slated to be issued by Facebook, potentially beginning as early as 2020. And it’s a digital currency, which means it will live on the Facebook platform. And it won’t be issued by any government. Rather, it will be issued by Facebook and its 28 partners and pegged to a basket of other currencies. And it isn’t technically a peer-to-peer currency the way most cryptocurrencies are. Its value does not come from this kind of, like, libertarian market dream. Rather, its value comes from this organization’s ability to manage it.

MARTIN: So what’s good about it? Let’s just start there. What’s good about it from the standpoint of the public? Why would people be attracted to using this?

SWARTZ: You know, we expect to be able to communicate at the scope and scale of the Internet. Our lives and our financial lives have become more global, more instantaneous. And it is just true that our financial systems haven’t kept pace with this. It is pretty hard still to do cross-border payments. And in lots of places, the financial infrastructure isn’t that stable. So there is a need for something to make payments and access to money and access to financial services dependable, fast and to really keep pace with the way technology has evolved.

MARTIN: So that’s the benefit of it for people who are – particularly people who are disconnected from the global capital markets. What’s the downside that so many people are talking about?

SWARTZ: Well, just because there’s a need for improved access and improved technology doesn’t mean that a company like Facebook should be at the center of it. Facebook has shown itself to not be the best steward of our privacy, to not be the best at moderating and taking responsibility for the things that happen on its platform. It is also very difficult to hold them accountable. What mechanisms do we have for holding Facebook accountable currently?

MARTIN: Congresswoman Maxine Waters, a Democrat who chairs the House Financial Services Committee, urged Facebook to slow down, basically stop developing this product until regulators can examine it more closely. And Republicans have also expressed those concerns. So, given the kind of response that people are getting to this, how is Facebook responding to this? I mean, are they addressing the concerns and questions that people have about it? What do you see?

SWARTZ: I don’t see that they’ve had a particularly good track record of addressing the concerns of regulators or of elected officials in the past. And I don’t anticipate that they’ll be particularly responsive in the future, especially since the initial target market of Libra is not United States citizens. It’s people living and working in the global south who are not U.S. citizens and therefore are not beholden to U.S. regulations

MARTIN: That is Lana Swartz. She’s professor of media studies at the University of Virginia. She’s co-editor of the book “Paid: Tales Of Dongles, Checks And Other Money Stuff.” Thank you so much for joining us.

SWARTZ: Thank you.

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Saturday Sports: NBA Draft, Wimbledon

Even though the NBA is in its off-season, the draft this week drew a lot of attention. Plus, Wimbledon is coming up! Scott Simon talks to Howard Bryant of ESPN.



SCOTT SIMON, HOST:

Time for sports.

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SIMON: The NBA draft, a major shake-up in the offseason, moving around the furniture. And will we ever really see the Montreal-Tampa Bay Des Rayons (ph)? Joining us now, Howard Bryant of ESPN. Thanks very much for being with us, Howard.

HOWARD BRYANT, BYLINE: Good morning, Scott.

SIMON: The NBA is in its offseason but still manages to capture a lot of attention with the draft and a lot of major stars moving around. Who do you think has suddenly gotten better?

BRYANT: Yeah. Well, it’s the greatest soap opera of the year. And it’s one of the things that the NBA has sort of mastered, which is offseason drama. Obviously, the team that got better, or that got better the fastest, was the Los Angeles Lakers. They ended up getting Anthony Davis, who’s an MVP-caliber player. He’s going to be playing with LeBron James. And suddenly, people think the Lakers are now championship material. That’s one end of the spectrum.

And then, suddenly, you have the Boston Celtics, who were supposed to be championship material. They’re losing not just Kyrie Irving, who’s not going to resign, it looks like, and Al Horford is also leaving, who’s been the anchor of that defense and the steadiest player they’ve had for years.

On the other hand, of course, everyone’s waiting to find out what Kawhi Leonard is going to do in Toronto. Will he stay? Will he go? Chances are he’s going to leave. And then, of course, with the draft a couple of nights ago, you’ve got Zion Williamson going No. 1 to the New Orleans Pelicans. All kinds of things happening.

SIMON: And Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson.

BRYANT: Yeah. They’re going to be out, though, almost the whole season, but they’re also free agents, so will the Warriors give them max contracts – both of them, 200 million apiece – even though they’re not going to play? There had been some talk that the Warriors may even max out Kevin Durant and still trade him, so who knows what the Warriors are going to look like?

Klay Thompson has made it very, very clear that despite the injury, he wants to stay there and that the Warriors have pretty much said that they’re going to reward him as well for playing his guts out. He belongs with that team. The Warriors aren’t going to be what they were, but, eventually, when those injuries are clear, they’re still going to be a really good team.

SIMON: Wimbledon begins next week. What are you watching for?

BRYANT: I’m watching for two things, and I’m really looking for Ashleigh Barty. I’m actually watching her in a couple of ways. One, she has the chance to become the first Indigenous player, obviously from Australia, to become world No. 1. She can do that tomorrow if she wins in the final at Birmingham. She can also – when Wimbledon begins, she can become the first Indigenous woman since Evonne Goolagong, also who was No. 1 in 1976.

SIMON: My favorite player as a youth, yeah.

BRYANT: Yeah, she was amazing. And she could follow up Evonne Goolagong by winning the French Open and Wimbledon back-to-back, which is what Evonne Goolagong did in 1971. Ashleigh Barty, who took a few years off from the sport to sort of rearrange her priorities and find herself and find the love of the game once again, and it’s been an amazing story. So you’re watching her. You’re also watching whether or not Serena Williams can get that elusive 24th Major.

SIMON: Is there any chance the Tampa Bay Rays are going to split time by playing in Montreal half the season?

BRYANT: Well, we’ve seen this playbook before, Scott. We’ve seen what happens when teams are trying to leverage for a new stadium. We saw this in Montreal, of all places, 10, 15 years ago when it looked like the Expos were going to leave. And so what happened? The fan base was alienated enough, and the team was trying to engineer its way out of town, and they did. And they moved to Washington, D.C. And now suddenly, 14 years later, we see what going around is coming around in the other direction. Now Tampa Bay is trying to engineer its way out of the Tampa-St. Pete area and muscle its way into Montreal.

It’s kind of cynical. It’s not great for the fan bases. Obviously, you see what happens when these teams want new stadiums and they try to find another city to leverage themselves to either get one or leave town.

SIMON: Howard Bryant, thanks so much.

BRYANT: Thank you.

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