November 17, 2018

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Not My Job: We Quiz Orlando Magic Star Aaron Gordon On Actual Magic

Aaron Gordon of the Orlando Magic handles the ball on Oct. 26, 2016 at Amway Center in Orlando, Fla.

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We recorded the show in Orlando, Fla., this week so we’ve invited NBA star Aaron Gordon of the Orlando Magic to play a game called “Abracadabra!” Three questions about great magicians.

Click the audio link above to see how he does.



PETER SAGAL, HOST:

And now the game where famous people are asked about obscure things. We call it Not My Job. People who visit Orlando are excited about the theme parks like Dinosaur World and Gatorland.

(CHEERING)

SAGAL: But the people who live here are most excited about their basketball team, their Orlando Magic, and its star small forward…

(APPLAUSE)

SAGAL: …Aaron Gordon. Aaron joins us now.

Aaron Gordon, welcome to WAIT WAIT… DON’T TELL ME.

AARON GORDON: Oh, thank you. I appreciate you having me on.

SAGAL: It’s great to have you.

GORDON: All right. All right. All right.

SAGAL: You’ve got fans. I’ve got to ask you – I should admit I’m not, you know, conversant with, like, the basketball stuff – how is it that someone the size of the Statue of Liberty…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …Is a small forward?

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: I would like to think of myself as a powerful small forward…

SAGAL: Right.

GORDON: …You know? It’s just, like, kind of a mix of a couple of different things.

SAGAL: Is it, like, a power forward, and then there’s a small forward?

GORDON: Yeah, exactly.

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: So it’s kind of like a lot of – maybe a hyphen in it.

SAGAL: Hyphen? Yeah, OK. Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

MO ROCCA: Is the power forward more of a ball hog? Because it sounds like the small forward is nicer and shares the ball more.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: When it comes to rebounding, yes. A power forward can just be as ball hog-ish (ph) as he’d like to be.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Now, we found out something interesting. You did a lot of sports growing up, as we might expect from a guy of your talents, but you also played hockey.

GORDON: Yes.

(CHEERING)

GORDON: Yes – ice hockey.

SAGAL: So what ultimately made you choose basketball over hockey?

GORDON: I just kind of had a natural affinity for basketball.

SAGAL: Your whole family…

GORDON: Yeah.

SAGAL: …Is a family of basketball players. Your parents play? Your father play?

GORDON: Yeah. Dad played at San Diego State.

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: And…

SAGAL: And your brother plays pro ball.

GORDON: He played pro ball overseas. He’s been to a bunch of places. So he plays, and then my sister played at Harvard…

SAGAL: Right.

GORDON: So she was a Harvard basketball player. And I was.

(APPLAUSE)

SAGAL: Right. So I imagine your friendly games at home are absolutely vicious.

GORDON: Oh, my gosh. Oh, they were…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: …Gruesome at times.

SAGAL: Really? You guys – because I know that one of the things the NBA is known for is trash talk. Do you trash-talk your siblings?

GORDON: Oh, definitely.

SAGAL: All right. Tell me something.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: All right. Let’s go with what you say to your sister.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: It’s kind of like the saying – I’m the youngest…

SAGAL: Right.

GORDON: So, just by nature, I’m the most annoying.

SAGAL: Right. Of course.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: That’s your role. I have a younger brother. Yeah.

GORDON: More like, nah-nah-nah-nah-nah, I’m better. You’re not. You know what…

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: …I mean? Along the lines of…

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: Yeah.

SAGAL: Yeah. I mean…

GORDON: That’s about it.

SAGAL: I mean, just do you, like, leave your NBA contract out on a table?

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Oh, I’m sorry. I left this here. Let me pick it up.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Oh, some money fell out of my pocket. Let me grab that, as well.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: So here you are in Orlando. You’re playing ball. What kind of town is it for playing basketball?

GORDON: It’s a great city. It’s…

(CHEERING)

GORDON: …You guys are awesome.

SAGAL: I’ve always wondered about this because everybody knows that sports fans get very passionate. Do you guys care as much as, like, we do about whether you win or lose?

GORDON: Oh, man. That’s a great question. You know…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: It’s – they’re really fanatics, you know what I mean…

SAGAL: Yeah, I know.

GORDON: …In every sense of the word, you know?

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: They’re – I think they care about it equally if not more than we do.

SAGAL: Really?

GORDON: Yeah. Yeah.

SAGAL: Do you ever feel like looking over at the fans and going, guys, it’s a game. Nobody died.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: We’re all actually friends.

GORDON: Yeah. They, like, look me in my eyes and say, I hate you.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: Really?

GORDON: Whoa. I don’t think I did anything to deserve that, but, you know…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: I’m just going to cordially beat your team, but…

SAGAL: OK. All right.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: I actually – one of the – this – I guess hockey, the fans are closer because they’re on the other side of the glass, but there’s glass. You guys are, like, closest to the fans of any professional sport. You actually sometimes fall on top of them.

GORDON: Yes.

SAGAL: And is that weird? I mean, because if you’re – like, has one guy in – like, sitting down front like a Jack Nicholson type ever, like, said something to you, like, right in your face?

GORDON: Oh, no. See, I think they understand that there’s no barrier.

SAGAL: Right.

GORDON: You know what I mean? So in hockey, there’s that glass barrier.

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: You know, it’s kind of like having two dogs on opposite sides of the gate.

SAGAL: Yeah.

GORDON: You know? Like, they’re, like, barking at each other.

SAGAL: Yeah. Yeah.

GORDON: But then, when you leave the gate, they’re, like, oh, OK. Just, you know, sniff each other.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: So there’s no barrier, so the fans kind of keep it to themselves because, you know, we have access to them.

(LAUGHTER)

ROCCA: Have you ever had to console a fan that was upset with your performance?

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: Oh, definitely.

ROCCA: And how do you do that? How do you approach that?

GORDON: Hey, it’s OK. I understand. You’re very into this game right now.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: But I’m going to continue to do what I do.

SAGAL: Right.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: So, like – and they’re like…

(APPLAUSE)

GORDON: OK. You know, OK. They don’t really talk after that.

SAGAL: Yeah. You are known for your enthusiasm for the slam dunk contest.

GORDON: Yes.

SAGAL: Yes.

GORDON: Yes.

SAGAL: And…

(APPLAUSE)

SAGAL: You did a slam dunk in which you vaulted on top of and then over the mascot. And you just – did you just go up to the mascot and say, you’re just going to stand there, and I’m going to jump up, put my hands on your head and go over you, and you’re going to hold up the ball. And the mascot was, like, OK.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: Pretty much.

SAGAL: The mascot – is he, like – the mascot does not say no to Aaron Gordon.

GORDON: It’s actually – it’s really funny because Stuff the Magic Dragon – he’s a great mascot. You know what I mean?

(CHEERING)

GORDON: He’s a great mascot. He is. He’s this, like, green dragon. He has these stars on the top of his head. And, when I was practicing, I couldn’t get the grip of the ball right. So I was, like, Stuff, buddy…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: You might need to take the stars off your head. And he was really going to take one for the team. He was a team player. And we did it, and I got the dunk. But I could just see the sadness in this mascot…

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: …In his body language – like he had lost a part of himself with the stars. You know, so…

SAGAL: Stuff…

GORDON: Yeah. So we were, like, OK. We put the stars back on his head. Just – I had to make it work for the sake of him.

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: That’s a heartwarming story.

GORDON: Yeah.

(APPLAUSE)

GORDON: That’s my good friend these days.

SAGAL: Well, Aaron Gordon, we’ve invited you here to play a game we’re calling…

BILL KURTIS: Abracadabra.

SAGAL: You play for the Orlando Magic, but what do you know about the real magic – by which we mean magic shows?

(CHEERING)

SAGAL: We’re going to ask you three questions about great magicians. Answer two of them correctly, and you will win our prize for one of our listeners – the voice of their choice on their voicemail. Bill, who is Aaron playing for?

SAGAL: Hal Ray of Tampa, Fla.

(CHEERING)

GORDON: OK – Florida boy. All right. Here we go.

SAGAL: All right. Here’s your first question. One of the great magicians of the late 19th century was Harry Kellar. How did Kellar learn to do his greatest trick, the levitating woman? Was it, A, he was a practicing Buddhist who attained enlightenment and was given control over gravity…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …B, he tied the woman to a thousand trained fleas, who flew her upward…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …Or C, he walked up on stage while another magician was doing the trick, ran around back to see what was done and then ran away.

GORDON: I’m going to go with the latter one.

SAGAL: You’re correct.

(SOUNDBITE OF BELL)

GORDON: All right. I like that. I like that.

(APPLAUSE)

SAGAL: It was pretty daring, but that’s how you get to be a legend of magic. All right. Second question – let’s see if you do as well. Another great magician of that golden era of magic was Carter the Great, and one of his famous tricks was which of these? A, the magical divorce, a trick in which he made his own wife disappear…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …B, the disappearing theater in which the entire audience found itself in a suddenly vacant lot sitting on their butts; or C, the vaguely disquieting meal in which Carter ate an ear of corn raw.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: I think I’m going to go with B.

SAGAL: You’re going with B – the disappearing theater. All of a sudden, everybody was out there sitting on their butts in a field.

GORDON: That’s the one.

SAGAL: That’s the one. He picked it. Sadly, he missed this shot. No, I’m afraid.

GORDON: Oh, dang.

SAGAL: It was actually the magical divorce. He made his wife disappear. His wife eventually decided that wasn’t funny.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: So she’s still around.

SAGAL: She’s still around. She stayed married to him…

GORDON: OK.

SAGAL: But he changed the name of the trick to the phantom bride. So this is your last question. If you get this right, you win.

GORDON: OK.

SAGAL: Some magicians have been able to use their skills in real life such as in which of these? A, Doug Henning, who used to skip out on dinner checks by making himself disappear during dessert…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …B, Penn Jillette, who for three years has made himself look like he’s lost a hundred pounds by constantly surrounding himself with trick mirrors…

(LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: …Or C, David Copperfield, who once made his wallet disappear while he was being mugged.

GORDON: I’m going to go with Copperfield. It’s C.

SAGAL: You’re going to go David Copperfield. That’s right, Aaron.

(SOUNDBITE OF BELL)

GORDON: Yay.

(APPLAUSE)

GORDON: Thanks.

SAGAL: He says he was being mugged outside walking to his car after a performance. Some guy came up, tried to mug him, and he made his watch, wallet and passport disappear.

(LAUGHTER)

GORDON: Oh, man.

SAGAL: Bill, how did Aaron do on our quiz?

KURTIS: Two out of three is a win.

SAGAL: Congratulations.

(APPLAUSE)

GORDON: Thanks.

SAGAL: Aaron Gordon is the small forward for the Orlando Magic. Aaron Gordon, thank you for joining us on WAIT WAIT… DON’T TELL ME. Aaron Gordon, everybody.

GORDON: All right.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MAGIC”)

B.O.B.: (Singing) I’ve got the magic in me. Every time I touch that track, it turns into gold. Everybody knows I’ve got the magic in me.

SAGAL: In just a minute, Bill sits on his phone in the Listener Limerick Challenge. Call 1-888-WAIT-WAIT to join us on the air. We’ll be back in a minute with more of WAIT WAIT… DON’T TELL ME from NPR.

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Opinion: Amazon Deal In New York Creates Some Unlikely Allies

Protesters gather in Long Island City to say “no” to the Amazon “HQ2” decision to establish part of its second headquarters in the New York City neighborhood.

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In these days of polarized politics, there was a small sign of a coalition this week.

Voices that range — and it’s quite a range — on the left from the newly-elected Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, a democratic socialist, to labor unions and local Democratic Queens leaders to The Wall Street Journal‘s conservative editorial page and Tucker Carlson of Fox News denounced the deal New York City and state struck with Amazon to locate one of its headquarters in the borough of Queens.

Amazon has a market capitalization of more than $800 billion. Its founder, Jeff Bezos, is the richest man in the world, worth more than $130 billion.

Yet Amazon will unblushingly accept more than almost $3 billion in tax breaks and subsidies from New York state and New York City to open in Queens.

Amazon will also receive subsidies to open a second-second headquarters in Arlington County, Va., but about half as costly.

Ocasio-Cortez said the fact that a billionaire’s company will receive more billions, “when our subway is crumbling and our communities need MORE investment, not less, is extremely concerning to residents here.”

State Sen.-elect Jessica Ramos of Queens told a rally, “It is unconscionable that we — in the middle of the housing crisis, in the middle of the public transportation crisis — have to dole out so many handouts to the richest company in the world.”

On the other end of the spectrum, The Wall Street Journal, which customarily sees virtue in wealth, points out that New York citizens will pay $48,000 per worker for each of the 25,000 jobs, paying $150,000 a year, that Amazon says their company will bring to Queens.

The Journal observed, “Apparently bodega owners in Brooklyn are supposed to be happy about subsidizing a third of the salaries of hipster techies.”

New York political leaders, including the governor and mayor, often say they have to offer subsidies and tax breaks to companies that would bring jobs because New York must compete against states like Florida or Texas that have no state income tax.

But rather than cut taxes for all, they will reward tax breaks to a selective few. As Assembly member Ron Kim of Queens asked, “Now in the progressive state of New York, we have a governor who gave away $3 billion to the richest man on the planet?”

If only for a moment, Amazon seems to have brought different political voices together — in outrage.

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Migrant Kids Survive Hardship To Reunite With Parents. Then What?

Migrant children who travel to the United States to be reunited with a parent often make the difficult journey alone. But reunification with a parent after years of separation rarely goes as smoothly as they expect.

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For nearly a month, the two sisters — then ages 17 and 12 — traveled by road from their home in El Salvador to the southern border of the United States. They had no parent or relatives with them on that difficult journey in the fall of 2016 — just a group of strangers and their smugglers.

Ericka and her younger sister Angeles started out in multiple cars, Ericka remembers. “In Mexico, it was buses. And we changed buses very often.” (NPR is using only the sisters’ middle names to protect their identity as they await a decision on their application for asylum in the U.S.)

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Their mother, Fatima, had already been in the United States for more than a decade, working to provide money to fund a better life for her children. The girls had mostly been raised by a loving grandmother in El Salvador. But in 2016, when the grandmother died after a prolonged illness, some relatives started petitioning to have Ericka and Angeles put into a government-run institution as “abandoned” children.

By September of that year, the girls, an older brother and their mom decided that the time had come for Ericka and Angeles to take whatever chances necessary to get to America to reunite with their mother, who lives in a Virginia suburb of Washington, D.C.

Theirs is a common experience, say psychologists who work with migrant families in the U.S. Like these two sisters, most Central American children coming to the United States in recent years have arrived unaccompanied, fleeing from violence or poverty or because there was no longer anyone to take care of them in their home country.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection reports that, between 2010 and 2017, officers with the agency intercepted roughly 300,000 unaccompanied children. Many had at least one parent or a relative already living in the United States — these young people came to be reunited with family.

But, that reunification is rarely as easy or joyful as the children or their parents expect, at least initially, say researchers and therapists who work with these families. Years of separation, a history of grief and trauma, and the stresses of suddenly having to adapt to a new culture often get in the way.

And the cost of unhappiness at home can be high for such youth. They may be be at a higher risk of depression, anxiety and substance-abuse, says Rachel Osborn, a licensed social worker at Mary’s Center, a health clinic in Washington, D.C. And an unhappy family life can make it even less likely that those who are struggling in school will complete their education.

“What these families need is access to bilingual mental health help,” says Benjamin Roth, an assistant professor at the University of South Carolina’s school of social work, who has interviewed unaccompanied migrant children. With that sort of help these children can integrate well into their new homes, say Roth and others, although many families are not getting the help they need.

Before Ericka and Angeles could even see their mother, they had to spend a few weeks at the southern U.S. border, shuttled between a detention center and a shelter. Finally, they boarded a plane to the D.C. area. As they waited for Fatima at the airport, along with a chaperone from the shelter, Ericka wondered if she’d even recognize her mother.

“I practically didn’t remember her anymore,” says Ericka, “because I was very little when she left.”

Ericka was around 5 years old and Angeles still a baby when Fatima moved to the U.S., though Fatima had always stayed in close touch with her family through the years.

Their meeting at the airport was emotional. “I just wanted to hug them and touch them,” Fatima says. “As a mother you want your children to be with you.”

They were beyond happy to be together. But the first months were difficult for them all.

There were a lot of conflicts, says Fatima. Angeles, now a budding adolescent, acted out at home, especially when Fatima asked her to follow certain rules, like going to church with her on the weekend, and avoiding certain kinds of popular music that her mother found too racy.

There was trouble in Angeles’ school, too.

“She would be rebellious in school,” says Fatima. “Sometimes her schoolmates would tease her because she didn’t speak English.” But the teenager would respond defiantly, insisting on speaking only Spanish.

Angeles was also hungry all the time, says Fatima, and she’d take frequent bathroom breaks at school — common symptoms of the stress she was feeling at the time.

Ericka struggled, too. The more introverted of the two sisters, she withdrew and frequently complained of chest pain and had nightmares.

“In the beginning, I would have dreams and I would wake up,” the 19-year-old says now. Ericka’s nightmares were about the girls’ weeks on the road to the United States, never knowing at the start of each day where they would sleep that night, or if they were safe.

Ericka didn’t speak English, which made everything at school difficult, she says. “It was a little hard, because you have to adapt to something new. How do you start over?”

Ericka and Angeles with their mom, at home in a Washington, D.C., suburb. It’s been two years since the family was reunited, and the girls say they’re starting to feel more settled. As time goes on, Ericka says, “the hard times get left behind.”

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Both sisters desperately missed their now 22-year-old brother, who had always tried to look after the girls, especially after their grandmother’s death. “We were always together since we were very little,” says Ericka. “And we had never thought that at some point in our lives, we’d have to be separated.”

This longing for family left behind, the nightmares, the stress-eating and acting out are common symptoms of stress and trauma among unaccompanied children who come to the U.S., say teachers and health workers who treat these families.

“The kids often are behaving badly at school and at home,” says Rosario Carrasco, a parent-liaison at Angeles’s school in Fairfax, Va. “They can’t really develop relationships with others in school. It’s really difficult for them.”

Layers of trauma and stress

“To try to understand what it’s like to be an unaccompanied minor or any migrant youth, you really have to suspend your belief about what’s normal,” says Osborn. “It’s a totally different existence for these kids. They’re navigating so many different changes at the same time.”

The journey to the U.S. without the protection of a parent is traumatic, Osborn says, and that’s just the start.

Ericka and Angeles, for example, had to spend two days at a detention center in the U.S. and nearly a month at a shelter, where they were even separated from each other for a few days.

“The entire journey, we tried to stay together and we didn’t have to separate until we got there,” Ericka recalls, starting to cry. “And so, it was really hard.”

The girls’ had already experienced repeated separations from primary caregivers over the years — first from their mom when they were very young, then from their brother in El Salvador. And they barely had time to grieve the loss of their grandmother before setting out for the United States. Those types of traumas can leave a lasting mark on kids’ psyches, Osborn says.

Research studies done soon after World War II, for example, found that the separation from parents could make children more vulnerable to personality disorders and mental illnesses, like depression and anxiety. According to the Society for Research in Child Development, various other studies have shown that separation from parents puts kids at a higher risk for poor social functioning and problems in forming healthy relationships.

These problems some work suggests, can persist even after reunification with family, and on into adulthood.

“We found the longer the separation, the worse the [problems] — anxiety in particular,” says psychologist Carola Suárez-Orozco of the University of California, Los Angeles and the author of one such study in 2011.

Unfortunately, Osborn says, she sees all these issues among the children she works with.

“Kids might feel resentful,” she says. “They might feel abandoned.”

And they often don’t know how to express their feelings, says Roth, the researcher in South Carolina. “Kids process stress in different ways and sometimes they manifest in psychosomatic symptoms.”

It’s difficult for the parents, too.

“Parents feel like they’ve abandoned their son or their daughter, and they feel like it’s something they can’t forgive themselves for,” says Carrasco. “They feel incredibly guilty.”

These adults often are struggling to cope with traumas in their own lives.

“They’ve made these enormous sacrifices and they’ve probably been in survival mode in the United States,” says Osborn. Like Fatima, some parents of these children are in the U.S. illegally.

“There’s a lot of disillusionment from parents and kids, because they have a lot of lofty expectations about how beautiful things will be as soon as their family is reunited,” Osborn says. “And in a lot of cases, we see that it’s rarely that easy.”

But getting the right sort of mental health support can make a huge difference for kids and their families, Roth says.

When translated into English, this gift to Fatima from her eldest daughter says: “Happy Mother’s Day! May God always bless you and help you with everything. Thank you for always giving us the best, and always taking care of us and supporting us in what we do. Even though I don’t tell you this every day, I always love you.”

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Luckily for Fatima and her daughters, they got that sort of help through a program in Virginia’s Fairfax County Public Schools system called Families Reunite. It’s a three-day workshop that aims to accomplish some of what talk therapy might accomplish over a longer period of time.

“I truly believe that a family that is given the proper tools, can overcome all this,” says Carrasco.

The most important of tools, she says, is improving communication. Initially, she says, most families she has worked with tend to not talk about things that have hurt them. Carrasco helps change that.

“The kids, for example — we have them tell their parents what their life was like in the country they came from, [and] what they like to do,” says Carrasco. “And oftentimes they also express how much they miss the people they left behind.”

The parents, too, are invited to talk about their history and the sacrifices they’ve made to establish themselves in the United States.

Carrasco says she encourages the parents and children to sit down and speak openly with each other, so that as they go forward they can resolve any issues that may arise as they reforge family bonds.

She helps the parents let go of the guilt they still feel for having left their children behind. And she reinforces positive parenting skills.

“It’s showing parents that they need to recognize the positive things the children do,” Carrasco says, “not just the negative things.”

Fatima and her younger daughter Angeles participated in the school district’s workshop last year, and they say it helped them.

“I listen to my mom now, and I understand her,” says Angeles. “Before, I didn’t really understand where she was coming from.”

When I visit the family on a Saturday morning, Angeles is busy writing in a large notebook. She shows off her doodles and an essay she has written in Spanish.

“Many people travel to the United States,” she reads aloud in Spanish, as Ligia Diaz, another parent-liaison from the local public school system, translates it into English. “Many make it across the border. Others don’t cross.”

Angeles’ writing touches on the stories of the children she’s heard about in the newskids separated at the border from their families in recent months. Then, she recounts her own story, with a hint of the gratitude she now feels for her mother.

“I arrived here one year ago. And I have my purpose,” Angeles reads. “My purpose is to help my mom, because of all the different things she has done for me.”

These days, the teen says she tries to do what her mom says, like putting more time into her homework and into learning English. She also helps her mother at home when she’s cooking meals for the family.

Angeles and her sister still struggle — with speaking English and fitting in at school. And they miss their brother. But, Ericka says, they have already come a long way.

“As time goes on, you get used to things,” she says. “And the hard times get left behind.”

What helps along the way, she says, is having their mom with them now.

“It’s the only thing that makes me happy,” says Ericka. “It’s the only thing that gives me comfort.”

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