Of Power, Predators And Innocent Mistakes: The Complex Problems Of Sexual Harassment

Harvey Weinstein faces very serious accusations of sexual assault. But one writer thinks many men are being unfairly caught up in less serious accusations.
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Women around the country have been speaking out in what seems like a deluge of sexual harassment and sexual assault allegations against men in positions of power.
The floodgates opened with a New York Times story about sexual harassment accusations against movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, who has since been accused of raping multiple women and is now being investigated by multiple police agencies.
A national conversation has begun about sexual harassment. But there are times when some people disagree on what that phrase means.
In a recent example, NPR’s former news boss Mike Oreskes was forced to resign this past week due to multiple accusations of sexual harassment.
NPR’s David Folkenflik detailed the numerous allegations of Oreskes’ inappropriate behavior. When “taken together, the allegations involving Oreskes paint an ominous picture of an executive willing to abuse his authority,” Folkenflik writes.
But “[s]ome of the incidents, in isolation, might not appear consequential.”
A former NPR editor who was pressured to meet Oreskes for dinner “found the experience bewildering as she tried to sort out whether what she had experienced was truly sexual harassment.”
Last month, after former President George H.W. Bush was accused of groping multiple women, his spokesman responded that Bush “has patted women’s rears in what he intended to be a good-natured manner. Some have seen it as innocent; others clearly view it as inappropriate.” (He “sexually assaulted me,” one actress wrote.)
One person says she has been sexually assaulted while another calls the same incident “innocent.”
NPR’s newsroom uses Webster’s New World College Dictionary, which defines “sexual harassment” as: “inappropriate, unwelcome, and, typically, persistent behavior, as by an employer or co-worker, that is sexual in nature, specif. when actionable under federal or state statutes.”
NPR’s Weekend Edition asked men around the country what behavior they thought crosses the line from something less serious to harassment.
“Any line where the other person is uncomfortable or feeling like they’re being harassed or assaulted — that’s the line for me,” says 25-year-old Wade Hankin of Seattle.
He says he was raised by a feminist mom, surrounded by strong women he loved and respected and has thought deeply about issues of consent. But a friend told him he crossed a line himself.
Four years ago he was “blacked-out drunk” at a Halloween party, Hankin tells NPR’s Lulu Garcia-Navarro on Weekend Edition. “I was slapping and grabbing my two friends’ behinds. And neither of them liked it.”
“I felt it was necessary to say something about it and say how sorry I am,” he says. He wrote about the experience on social media. He agreed to let NPR use his full name; his recounting of something he’s not proud of will come up on Google searches of his name.
“We only ever hear women’s allegations. Women saying what has happened to them. If there is any word from a man, it’s deny. It’s suing. It’s, ‘I never did this,’ ” Hankin says is the reason why he responded in such a public way.
“It’s never: ‘This is what I have done. I am so sorry.’ It’s never taking responsibility for actions.”
The court of public opinion
Writer Cathy Young, a contributing editor for the libertarian Reason magazine, thinks some of the outcry — she calls it “Weinsteining” — has gone too far.
“Obviously I think we can all get behind people like Harvey Weinstein, or you know, Mark Halperin, being exposed for apparent very, very serious misconduct toward subordinates and co-workers,” she tells NPR.
But she thinks the punishment doesn’t fit the crime for someone like Roy Price, who was forced out of his executive job at Amazon Studios. Young calls the offending incident “what was essentially one sort of instance of a drunken overture to somebody while they were at Comic-Con … where everyone was intoxicated.” (A producer says Price “repeatedly and insistently propositioned” her with explicit language.)
“It may not be admirable conduct, but at the same time, I really don’t think that that sort of thing — where there was no hint of retaliation, no hint of him exploiting his status to coerce a sexual contact — should be treated the same as these people who are engaging in clearly criminal conduct,” Young says.
“I don’t think that we need to be concerned about taking it too far,” responds Kaitlin Prest, host of The Heart podcast.
“Even something as seemingly minor as going into a meeting and having somebody who is in a position of power over you glance down at your breasts every few moments,” she says. “Or asking if you want to go out to your boss’s beach house and have a glass of wine. …
“There’s an entire spectrum of inappropriate behavior that happens. And especially when you take that into the workplace, those seemingly innocuous behaviors are — those are microaggressions. Those are the small things that chip away at someone’s feeling of professional value in the workplace,” Prest says. A woman could feel “the only reason why she’s here is boss man likes to look at her breasts.”
Power and consent on the job
Prest would rather have a “better safe than sorry” office environment. “I think we’re so far away from understanding what consent means,” she says.
It has to do with understanding power dynamics at work, where most of us have bosses.
“You want your boss to like you, so you feel like you have to say yes to everything,” she says. “They ask you to go out for drinks after work — you say yes automatically because you want to have this person’s favor.”
Young concedes that “there are very real power differentials in the workplace.” But she’s “concerned about this mindset that we have to constantly police for microaggressions — which, a lot of that is defined very subjectively.”
She thinks there’s a danger of glances being misinterpreted, and of “seeing offenses where none exist.”
“I don’t think most people really have that much trouble understanding consent,” Young says. “I think genuine miscommunications and genuine mixed signals really do happen.”
Prest strongly disagrees with that assessment. “I don’t think that we’re overreacting,” she says.
“This is the first time where you’re hearing people who have perpetrated that type of harassment actually investigating their behavior.” Prest says “the pendulum needs to swing a little bit farther into this extreme before we can get back to the middle.”
But Prest says she and Young can agree on asking the same question.
“I do think the question of what accountability looks like is a huge question that we need to be asking right now, and a really, really important question that I don’t think we have the answer to — at all.”
NPR’s Ravenna Koenig and Kroc Fellow Adelina Lancianese contributed to this report.
Oakland Center Finds Sickle Cell Treatment Success
Discrimination can affect the treatment of African-Americans with sickle cell disease, leading to premature death. Here is a success story from an Oakland, Calif., center dedicated to treatment.
LULU GARCIA-NAVARRO, HOST:
Now sickle cell disease. About 100,000 people in the United States suffer from it, most of them African-American. And life expectancy for people with sickle cell is dropping. Yesterday, we heard from a mother whose son died at 36. Today, we’ll hear from a patient who’s thriving and the clinic that’s making it possible. Jenny Gold has a two-part – has Part 2 of our series on sickle cell disease and discrimination.
JENNY GOLD, BYLINE: Derek Perkins sits on the end of the exam table at the Adult Sickle Cell Center at Children’s Hospital Oakland. He’s short but strong, his arms and chest covered in tattoos. He’s a father of four and has been with his wife for 28 years.
DEREK PERKINS: I’m a driving instructor. I teach kids how to drive and adults, also. Just a basic, normal man.
GOLD: Normal, perhaps, but also remarkable. Life expectancy for people with sickle cell disease is around 40. At 45, Perkins has already beaten the odds. Sickle cell is a genetic disorder where red blood cells bend into a crescent shape. It causes multi-organ failure and is complicated to treat. There’s a hospital just three minutes from Perkins’s house, but he drives nearly an hour to come here instead.
PERKINS: Without the sickle cell clinic here in Oakland, me, myself – I don’t know what I would do. I don’t know anywhere else I could go.
GOLD: When Perkins was 27, he once ended up at a different hospital, where doctors misdiagnosed him. He went into a coma, and the doctors gave him just a 20 percent chance of survival. His mother insisted he be transferred here to Oakland.
PERKINS: Dr. Vichinsky was able to get me here to Children’s Hospital, and he found out what was wrong and within 18 hours. All I needed was a emergency blood transfusion, and I was awake.
GOLD: Perkins is talking about Dr. Elliott Vichinsky, the man visiting his exam room now. They first met when Perkins was just a kid.
ELLIOTT VICHINSKY: You know, when you see someone as an adult like Derek must be – how old are you? Forty?
GOLD: Five.
VICHINSKY: Forty-five. How old do you think I am?
GOLD: Vichinsky started the Oakland Center in 1978, and he’s one of the country’s leading researchers on adult sickle cell. He says that while Perkins may look robust, he has problems with his kidneys, heart, hips and breathing.
VICHINSKY: So what about getting shorter breaths?
PERKINS: All the time, yeah. I’m on a inhaler…
VICHINSKY: Inhaler?
PERKINS: Yeah.
VICHINSKY: Do you use it?
PERKINS: Yes.
GOLD: Vichinsky’s clinic and the handful of others like it have made major advances in screening sickle cell patients for the early signs of organ failure, so they can intervene. This isn’t easy to do, and it requires time and training. And it doesn’t pay well. Many sickle cell patients are on Medicaid. But with consistent expert care, patients can expect to live to 65. The problem is that most sickle cell patients still struggle even to access treatments that have been around for decades, Vichinsky says.
VICHINSKY: I would say 40 percent or more of the deaths I’ve had recent have been preventable – I mean, totally preventable – 40 percent. It makes me so angry. You know, I’ve spent my life trying to help these people, and the harder part is you can change this. This isn’t a knowledge issue. It’s an access issue.
GOLD: And it’s nothing new. The disease has had a long and sordid past. Sickle cell was first identified in 1910 and helped launch the field of molecular biology.
VICHINSKY: There’s a long history of scientists and the government using sickle cell to study science rather than improving the disease itself.
GOLD: In the 1960s and ’70s, sickle cell became a lightning rod for the Civil Rights Movement. At the time, the average patient died before the age of 20. The Black Panther Party took up the cause and began testing people. Here’s Party Chairman Bobby Seale at a community event in Oakland in 1972.
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BOBBY SEALE: I’m sure we tested over 4 and a half thousand people for sickle cell anemia last night, and I think that the voter registration’s running neck-and-neck with it.
GOLD: In the 1970s, Congress added additional funding for the disease, and states started screening newborns. Treatment improved. And by the 1990s, life expectancy had doubled with patients living into their 40s. But over time, funding waned, and life expectancy started dropping again. Vichinsky says discrimination is a big reason they’re losing ground.
VICHINSKY: The death rate is increasing. The quality of life is going down. There’s no question in my mind that class and color are major factors in impairing their survival, without question.
GOLD: Vichinsky’s patient, Derek Perkins, knows he’s one of the lucky ones.
PERKINS: The program that Dr. Vichinsky is running here I feel I owe my life to because if it wasn’t for him and the things that he did for me, my family wouldn’t have me.
GOLD: With so many patients and so few resources, it’s likely that Perkins will continue to be the exception and not the rule. I’m Jenny Gold in Oakland.
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GARCIA-NAVARRO: Jenny Gold is with our partner Kaiser Health News.
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